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[other dog]

They recommend premium gas in the Zinamobile Nissan Titan so that's what I always put in it. It's more expensiver at the pump of course but it might be cheaper in the long run.

[Geoff Weeks]

I run premium no alcohol in my 1984 Saab 900 turbo, The rest gets whatever as long as it isn't over 10% alcohol, but the 1942 doesn't like any of today's gasoline it evaporates from the fuel line during sitting , requiring re-priming if t sits. 

[other dog]

So, my new gas tank came today. And here's the issue-

I called 4 States because they didn't send enough rubber to go under the straps. I misunderstood, I ordered 2 but they sell it by the foot, so I only got 2 feets. 

Anyway, the guy asked me if I was using it for gas or diesel. When I told him gas, he said "uh-oh, this tank is only rated for diesel".  I thought it said "gas or diesel" when I ordered it, but apparently it didn't. But it said "fits Ford F600" and they were all gas powered. I don't even know exactly what "rated for diesel" even means, but Dave (maint1) sent me this-

 

So I'm going to use the tank- any thoughts?

 

[Joey Mack]

sounds like you need to put gas tank coating in it while it is a virgin...   sorry, I dont have a picture of a girl in a car..  But I do have this little Peach.. as Bob would put it..  jojo

Edited April 15 by Joey Mack
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[other dog]

Just now, Joey Mack said:

sounds like you need to put gas tank coating in it while it in a virgin...   sorry, I dont have a picture of a girl in a car..  But I do have this little Peach.. as Bob would put it..  jojo

I would, but I heard you don't use sealer in aluminum tanks, maybe it doesn't adhere to the aluminum or something, I don't know. I had 2 quarts of sealer but I already sent it on its way. So I think, from what I'm reading here, if I stick to non-ethanol and use gas treatment I should be ok.

[Joey Mack]

I just learned something..  never knew about gas and aluminum tanks..  

[Brocky]

20 minutes ago, other dog said:

I would, but I heard you don't use sealer in aluminum tanks, maybe it doesn't adhere to the aluminum or something, I don't know. I had 2 quarts of sealer but I already sent it on its way. So I think, from what I'm reading here, if I stick to non-ethanol and use gas treatment I should be ok.

I think you are RIGHT on Non-Ethanol ONLY!!!!! 

[Mark T]

Looks like all you can do now is swap out that IH engine for a 5.9 .  Or......  stick to non ethanol . That stuff works if you used something frequently, but leave it sit a little and the fun starts. I think I'd leave the tank as full as posible for the periods it sits.  You'd think these guys repop'n tanks would realize this and make a composit lined tank even if only for novelty trucks.  At the point of manufacture, it wouldn't be very difficult to line it with a poly membrane or something.

[other dog]

16 minutes ago, Mark T said:

Looks like all you can do now is swap out that IH engine for a 5.9 .  Or......  stick to non ethanol . That stuff works if you used something frequently, but leave it sit a little and the fun starts. I think I'd leave the tank as full as posible for the periods it sits.  You'd think these guys repop'n tanks would realize this and make a composit lined tank even if only for novelty trucks.  At the point of manufacture, it wouldn't be very difficult to line it with a poly membrane or something.

I wish I could swap in a 6-71, that would be the cat's ass. The only reason I don't is not having the knowledge, skill, money, shop, talent, and know how.

[BOBWhite]

27 minutes ago, Mark T said:

Looks like all you can do now is swap out that IH engine for a 5.9 . 

He would have to use a Dt466 or 7.3/6.9 V8 if he wanted to diesel swap it. Those are the "rules" lol

We don't get an option to buy ethanol free gas at our only station where I live and I don't even know what the ethanol percentage is. I have to rebuild every carb I own about every year though so there is definitely some in there. 

Edited April 16 by BOBWhite

[70mackMB]

l'm thirty miles away from a non-ethanol pump. We make the trip when needed and come home with twenty five gallons (5/5s) in the back. And top off the pick-up while we are there.    .....Hippy

[other dog]

32 minutes ago, 70mackMB said:

l'm thirty miles away from a non-ethanol pump. We make the trip when needed and come home with twenty five gallons (5/5s) in the back. And top off the pick-up while we are there.    .....Hippy

Wow, I guess I am lucky then. I only have to go from the blue dot to the red balloon to get non-ethanol. It's only a couple inches on the phone.

[Vladislav]

That idea of putting epoxy sealer (not a DD screamer) into the new tank was floating over my mind. And I didn't point that out since in a case you have a clean brand new tank the straight simple way just installing it seemed very attractive. But on the other hand considering options and adding some reasonable amount of efforts into a deal could pay off in the future.

I don't see any issues applying sealer to a new alu tank. Sure you should check out the particular compound on its applyability to alu. Also you better degrease the inside of the tank with suitable degriaser before sealing and be sure that light evaporating stuff to not poison your breath of make big boom. 

On the other hand from those arguments above the worry of use alu tank for gas is water which could get collected in the fuel because of alcohol. But I guess water wouldn't affect aluminium really fast even being poured clean right into the tank. So adding fuel stabilizer and not allowing old gas to take place for a long while should secure you quite enough from notable tank inside corrosion.

[other dog]

This was about all I could find about sealing new aluminum tanks. I think I'll just put the thing on when the strap rubber gets here and hope for the best. If I have issues I'll have to put a tank behind the cab I guess.

[Geoff Weeks]

As has been pointed out, other equipment uses aluminum for tanks. I wonder how much of the "not approved for Gasoline" has to do with emissions and venting requirements for gasoline and roll over requirements for the same?

 My old step tanks from "back in the day" state for diesel or gasoline, but the lower bungs are not to be used for gasoline. (I.E. no cross over or gravity feed).

[mechohaulic]

far out thought; gas vs alum becomes a hassle , and staying with the gas ; even though you have the alum tank , acquire a steel tank and paint it alum ?? 

[Geoff Weeks]

I know fuel tanks outside the frame rails must be able to pass a drop test, filled and dropped at different angles and can not leak (or leak more than a spec'd amount) to be approve for road use. I do not, however, know if gasoline and diesel have to meet the same requirements or if gasoline is stricter requirements.

[mechohaulic]

3 minutes ago, Geoff Weeks said:

As has been pointed out, other equipment uses aluminum for tanks. I wonder how much of the "not approved for Gasoline" has to do with emissions and venting requirements for gasoline and roll over requirements for the same?

 My old step tanks from "back in the day" state for diesel or gasoline, but the lower bungs are not to be used for gasoline. (I.E. no cross over or gravity feed).

also "back in the day " the gas like many items today was very different. wouldn't consider the hose/  suck the gas from tank in today world.  if reason is for mechanical reasons it's understandable. tank needs to have a pump  etc, the algae stories many prove other wise .

[Vladislav]

6 hours ago, other dog said:

This was about all I could find about sealing new aluminum tanks. I think I'll just put the thing on when the strap rubber gets here and hope for the best. If I have issues I'll have to put a tank behind the cab I guess.

After reading that I wouldn't mind any sealing of the new tank. Just put it on and be happy.

On the other hand (my usual thrifty approach) I see no principal troubles cleaning the old tank and use it. Algae is not corrosion so can be separated off the walls. I'm not almost sure on the principal of its build up but as long as we concluded the origin is penetration of humidity into the alcahol that means we deal with water of some kind. If so the derbits could be products of aluminium corrosion (what is doubtful) or organic reactions in the water. If so you should clean it with stuff which dissolve fat or other organical dirt. Something of what is used to clean clogged kitchen sunk. Sure after test application on another aluminium part.

[mrsmackpaul]

Well I have been mulling this over

Ethanol fuel is what it is, Im as tight as a fishes ass so I buy the cheapest fuel I can and never have any issues

And it is E10

Aluminium fuel tanks Im pretty sure used on light planes, drag cars and so on

As such I think it will be fine with petrol

So Im thinking if you want reliability that just starts and runs and gives the best economy 

Electronic throttle body fuel injection, holly and the like make complete systems that include a new electronic dizzy

Doing this should make it as reliable as a modern car and I think the cost wont be huge

Apart from that, carry on, it is interesting learning

 

Paul 

[Geoff Weeks]

Yeah, I run it in my 1942 and 1948, it has to be at least as good as the stuff the army had back then, the "good stuff" went to aviation, the rest got "Mo fuel".

 My biggest problem is losing prime after running.  I carry a big syringe to draw fuel up past the fuel pump and then it does fine until I shut it off and let it sit.

 I could save myself the trouble if I put an electric pump on it, but I just like things stock. I have a 6 volt electric (Carter clone) for a transfer pump for the farm diesel in the near side tank.

[other dog]

16 hours ago, Vladislav said:

... Something of what is used to clean clogged kitchen sunk. Sure after test application on another aluminium part.

Funny you should say that- I read somewhere when I was online searching tanks and algae and rust and sludge and gunk and cleaning tanks that you actually could use drain cleaner to clean the tank out with. But the aluminum brightener seemed to do a great job.

[other dog]

23 hours ago, mechohaulic said:

far out thought; gas vs alum becomes a hassle , and staying with the gas ; even though you have the alum tank , acquire a steel tank and paint it alum ?? 

I wouldn't have a problem using a steel tank, but I couldn't find an aftermarket steel tank available anywhere and if I went with a used one, if I could even find one, I'd have to do all the cleaning and sealing process before I used it. 

[other dog]

12 hours ago, mrsmackpaul said:

Well I have been mulling this over

Ethanol fuel is what it is, Im as tight as a fishes ass so I buy the cheapest fuel I can and never have any issues

And it is E10

Aluminium fuel tanks Im pretty sure used on light planes, drag cars and so on

As such I think it will be fine with petrol

So Im thinking if you want reliability that just starts and runs and gives the best economy 

Electronic throttle body fuel injection, holly and the like make complete systems that include a new electronic dizzy

Doing this should make it as reliable as a modern car and I think the cost wont be huge

Apart from that, carry on, it is interesting learning

 

Paul 

So, what is this "electronic throttle body fuel injection" of which you speak? I don't care about stock or original, I just want it to run like it's supposed to.

[harrybarbon]

Are the aluminium fuel tankers sealed or lined to cart gas/petrol? Or just bare aluminium?