clemson_tiger29678 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'm seriously considering putting air bags on my B61 to be able to sit it on the ground, and help the ride quality (I'm running bobtail and will never tow a heavy load)...while keeping the exterior stock (new paint and chrome of course). Does anyone have a link to a thread or pics to where anyone has done this before? Just curious as to what bags they used, what type of kit they used, what type of mounths they fabbed-up, etc. Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I put air ride under mine a few years ago, but I also stretched it 5ft. I used a Neway single axle from a Ford chassis. It worked out very well and the new frame actually slid right over my existing frame and I just bolted the section on.I have to seach the link to my post from a couple years back> It was in chassis forum.Here it is:http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/index.php?/topic/16282-adding-air-ridestretching-frame/?hl=%2Badding+%2Bair Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Just so you realize, air ride will likely not make a huge difference when bobtailing. I originally cut my springs down when I bought my truck to only 3 leaves on the rear. It still rode harsh without my trailer. With the trailer it rode nice. The biggest difference when I stretched it was not really the air ride, but the longer length. The ride was not so "bucky" due to the short wheelbase. There used to be a conversion kit, called Superide. Replaced the rear springs brackets. I've see a few over the years and I was contemplating using it on my truck til I wanted to stretch it also. Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfarms Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 It is a common conversion on trucks with a spring suspension.I am just finishing up one on a ford F800. We searched and found a rear clip with the same axle, better ratio, and where the new bolt holes would miss all of the old bolt holes by inches. We redrilled the old frame and bolted the suspension on. We did replace all the bushings in the process.What ever you do you will be drilling a lot of 5/8" and or 3/4" holes in the frame. You will need a bucks drill, magnetic drill press, and plenty of drill bits.If you keep the existing rear axle you will need to add the track arm bracket to the axle.Have you tried lowering the tire air pressure?Have you tried removing some leaves from the rear springs? Rust between the leaves causes them to ride a little stiffer.There is a guy around here who has a flat bed on the back of his tractor made out of a trench plate to add some weight.My other truck really rides a lot better with 5,000 lbs on the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 When I drilled mine, I just used a Dewalt 1/2" drill and three bits. Small, close to size, and a reamer for all my 5/8" bolts. 12 on each side if I recall. Went pretty quick. Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack mhe9 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 And some times just adding weight to the rear will help. Try starting out with about 500lbs. Make a nice rear bumper with a lot of steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Was a fellow that came to Auburn ATHS National with an R model with about a 4' x 5' x 8" thick slab of iron strapped over the fifthwheel plate. I'm guessing he was trying to get the ol camebacks to ride "better"? 2 Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maddog13407 Posted December 3, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2014 when I put mine together I used 1'' plate for the fifh wheel, drilled and tapped the bolts for the fifth wheel legs into the plate and welded the back side. its about 40'' wide, 48'' long and 1'' thick. didn't make a bit of difference, so I just run about 40lbs of air pressure in the back tire. like the old guys say, ''got a dog on the hood, it don't ride good'' 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
57 bcr Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I remember the truck at Auburn,Larry. Always wanted to ask him if it made that big of a difference? Have a CH cutoff that I was planning on using 1 axle/suspension on the BCR. On the back burner for now (go figure). Quote IF YOU BOUGHT IT, A TRUCK BROUGHT IT..AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, A TRUCK WILL HAUL IT AWAY!!! Big John Trimble,WRVA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I agree that you most likely won't see a huge difference with air suspension when bobtailing. This has been my experience with many trucks I've driven. They are, after all, trucks--and designed for weight--lots of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
220cummins Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Its a Mack Truck, it will ride rough. If you want a better ride quality look for an air ride cut-off with the same ratio or maybe faster. You could always add and air ride seat if not equipped. Adding gas shocks may work but some fab work would be required. If you fab up an air ride cab it may ride a little better but it prob will be damn near impossible to do with how the front sheet metal bolts up. Stretching it, as mentioned, will improve ride quality as well. I was impressed when I first picked up our Cruiseliner and drove it back to Pittsburgh from Indiana. It rode just as nice as my Chevy 3500 dually with a Duramax that we drove out in. It definitely rode better than my B61. Its a short wheelbase single axle on Neway ARD but were stretching it and making it a tandem with Neway Mack rears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemson_tiger29678 Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 No guys, what I'm talking about is taking the leaf springs off and replacing them with an air ride system that will allow me to set the truck rails on or near the ground when parked. It's more of a style thing than anything...I was just sort of hoping that it might help the ride quality by changing the heavy leaf springs to more forgiving set-up. My plans are to do a truck that looks similar to this one, but notch the frame and put an air bag suspension system on that would tuck the front tires way up into the wheel wells, and set the battery box, fuel tank and front bumper with-in an inch of the ground while parked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdogtrucker Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I don't think you'll find anybody on here that's done what you want to do.I think you'll be the first 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
220cummins Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I second that. I'm not against fabrication at all but with the amount of fabrication needed I'd think you be further ahead with an air-ride cutoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtymilkman Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I think that sounds like a great idea. If you're not planning on hauling a heavy trailer I think you could get by with a air ride set up for a pickup. I know they are capable of 10,000 pounds or more easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemson_tiger29678 Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 Ha...LOVE being the first. That only means I'm the guinea pig and have to make all the mistakes! lol I'm thinking you are right Dirtymilkman...the 10,000 lb bags should be plenty heavy enough, as I'm only going to pull a tractor or classic car on a flatbed trailer behind the truck, at most. I really think it's a cool idea, leaving the wheels and outward appearance stock, but being able to tuck the fronts way up in the fender. Oh well...was hoping to find some help from someone who had already made the mistakes. Thanks guys! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Hmmm....this is going to be fun to watch!Keep us posted.There are lots of different air suspension kits out there so you should find one that will work. Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I've seen some big 4x4 style trucks use tall air bags to control height. Using a long 4 bar style suspension you could raise and lower it and not screw up the geometry. Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdogtrucker Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 OP,is this what your talkin about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemson_tiger29678 Posted December 5, 2014 Author Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) That's exactly the look, Bigdogtrucker....actually, that truck is the insperation. The difference is, that truck is on a E350 Ford drivetrain and I'm going to keep my set-up all big-rig. I saw the build thread on this one...and while it looks great, it's still a "light-duty" truck. I wanted to keep the original look for a B model semi, but be able to tuck the tires and lay the battery box, fuel cell and front bumper on the ground, as in the above pic. I thik my ride height will have to drop 6 inches or so, because I don't think bags allow for enough travel to get my battery box step to the ground, and then back-up to where it is now. Most travel I've seen is about 6"-8", so I'll be riding lower than I am now, but be able to lay it out at full drop.Here's the link to that build:http://www.oilburners.net/forums/showthread.php?34307-1991IDI-Secret-Project Edited December 5, 2014 by clemson_tiger29678 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Why not call RideTech ? They do air ride kits for over 15 years, including a set up to slam GM's 1 ton dualies and Dodge 3500's. Probably could offer a direction to go. Paulhttp://www.ridetech.com/store/ Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomastractorsvc Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Check out Stacy David (gears) website he has an international coe truck that they are building and it has air ride like you were talking about on the original frame. 1 Quote Robert"I reject your reality and substitute my own." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdogtrucker Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Here's some more inspiration... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer52 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I am not a big fan of "lowered" vehicles but as they say "different strokes for different folks" and "whatever blows your skirt". It's your truck do what you want. Have fun! Quote Ken PRR Country and Charter member of the "Mack Pack" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemson_tiger29678 Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Thanks guys for the encouragement. After speaking with my fab guy, the first thougt is to take out enough leafs, to the point that they aren't strong enough to support the truck, but leave some (be it 1, 2, 4, 5, whatever) to use to continue to locate the front and rear components. Then use 10,000lb air bags to actually support the truck and raise and lower the truck. Seems logical, in theory. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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