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1 hour ago, Red Horse said:

It was my understanding that when Ford did the Daimler deal, along with the 10 year no compete, all the tooling went to Daimler.

Now Roadway, check the box....From your earlier post.....Not to change the subject, but to this day Ford's abrupt exit of the heavy truck market after designing a whole new series of vehicles for it has to be the most bizarre thing I have ever seen a major manufacturer ever do.  Did someone not get the memo?  Wonder if there wasn't more to the story.   

Now you are posting that it was the right thing or words to that effect.  So which is it?  Again I allude to the fact that this was NOT a blind decision to spend a fortune on HN-80.  Are you saying Ford had no financial analysts that did not beat the shit out of this subject before senior management signed off?  Do you really think that they were clueless as to how much they could make on say 200,000 HD PICK UPS  a year vs 50,000 class 7 and 8 trucks?  I don't think so.  But I believe when HN-80 was committed the guys at the top were comfortable with the return on heavy trucks and felt it was an integral part of Ford.  And I'm sure when that decision was made, there were plenty of "car guys" who had no use for big trucks.  All of a sudden Jac the Knife is on the scene and guess who had his ear?  Those car guys I would bet.  And from all the dumb ass moves he made, my guess is he could very easily paint a picture as to why this was such a good move. 

I think it goes back to the theory of profitability along product lines.  Are there some product lines  in ANY company that do better than others?  For sure.  Do some companies bail out on less profitable products to concentrate on their "core business"?  For sure.  But not all managements subscribe to that theory. 

If that were the case perhaps John Deere would only need yellow or green paint!😎

At least that is how I see it-an opinion of course.

Final opinion-if Ford made a mistake, they should have truly concentrated on the vocational market-and I include the fleet linehaul market to the ABF's ConWays,  etc of the era in that vocational mix.  The true "owner operator "large car" market?   They should have let that be because Paccar could build the biggest pile of shit and those guys would stand around and say.."isn't it beautiful".   And I'm not saying they are crap  -I'm just saying you will never get the majority of those guys out of a Pete or KW.

 

As I said in the post, I think Ford should have let the old Louisville run it's course until switching KTP over to Super Duty production and not bothered with HN80 at all.  Sure, hindsight's 20/20 but I believe if Ford had to do it all over again, that's what they would have done.  Regarding Ford's analysis of the decision to go ahead with HN80, remember at the time Ford's management was anything but rational.  The power structure at the Glass House was one of fiefdoms bent on destroying each other, Ford Motor and the customer be damned.  I was told by Ford insiders back in the day that the light truck group was always out to screw the heavy truck group, and had wanted KTP for years.  Supposedly the decision to use the International 6.9L diesel for the F series back in 1982 was partially done as a slap in the face for the heavy trucks guys as International was Ford's biggest competitor at the time.  It seemed to me that HN80 happened while Bill Ford Jr. was running the heavy truck division, and after he left it heavy truck had no champion and fell victim to a rational profitability argument from the light duty guys.  I wish I could go back to those days and ask better questions!  To be a fly on the wall during some of those meetings.......       

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56 minutes ago, Red Horse said:

Love it-except for that rounded off snout.  Brink back the DK look.  But one thing that is great from a safety perspective-as many of us have posted, these light groupings where the turn signal is in the same housing as the headlights leave a lot to be desired.  the visibility of that turn signal is lost.  Bring back the "lollypop"!  then the idiot that is trying to get by you on the right as you make a wide swing for a right hand turn has one more blinking light in his face.  Granted- that lollypop will cost you .00045 mpg because of wind resistance.😎

Or put a bright a$$ LED cluster on the bottom edge of the fender extension so it pulls them off the phone.

I would buy the new ACar if I wasn't at the age where I won't get 20 years out of it. Plus I just picked up my pair for AM General power units in Philly yesterday for my Maine project.. Look pretty good in Civilian Black if I do say so..

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Funny you mentioned AM General's 41chevy. Just got the latest Truck and Trailer paper in the mail and Transport Robert in Quebec, Canada has 3 6x6 AM General M920 tractors for sale. And they are painted black too, LOL.

I think they were 1980's? They have 400 Cummins with Caterpillar automatic transmissions.

 

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I ran many, many Louisvilles. Up here in Canada the cabs all rotted off from the salt, just like their cars and pickups. (I am a Ford fan, but the fact is they don't live in salt.) There aren't any left around here and at one time there was nothing but Ford's. And the dash's all cracked from the sun. You can't find an intact Ford dash. Every restored one I have seen for sale up here has a custom home made dash in it.

We also ran a Sterling dump truck. No issues with it either. Lots of plastic, but it lasted the 7 or so years we kept it with nothing broke. I found the cab rode really nice too. The air ride was set up really soft.

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why have we not seen more pictures of this truck? It seams odd that it was released yet we only saw one spy shot, the pic when the announced it and a few computer generated pictures.   Whats up with that?

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20 hours ago, Bullheaded said:

Funny you mentioned AM General's 41chevy. Just got the latest Truck and Trailer paper in the mail and Transport Robert in Quebec, Canada has 3 6x6 AM General M920 tractors for sale. And they are painted black too, LOL.

 

I think they were 1980's? They have 400 Cummins with Caterpillar automatic transmissions.

 

 

Most all M900 series a 400 Big Cams with Cat Autos. All wheel drives are rare as tractors from what I gather, wish mine were.  I heard of an even dozen for sale hat are civi  black. They do look good, but so does my M917 in Mopar Citronella Yella.

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Autocar Trucks  /  April 17, 2019

Autocar #concrete #mixers have roamed the ends of the earth. Just like this classic transit mixer down in New Zealand, shared by Ed Mansell.

No cookie-cutter truck here: Look underneath and - like every Autocar - it will be custom-engineered for its specific tough job. #AlwaysUp.

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Even though the Capone truck is Volvo era.....I always did like the looks of those too.

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6 minutes ago, Bullheaded said:

Even though the Capone truck is Volvo era.....I always did like the looks of those too.

Only Volvo stuff was the grill stripe and a few plastic items. Volvo wasn't as chintzy as they are now.

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The Autocar rolloff. Now that's an Autocar

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The Autocar conventional has not shown up yet on the Autocar website. It probably won't show up until they start pushing them out the door.

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I would love to see one with the LeRoi gas V-8 in it.

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6 hours ago, james j neiweem said:

The Autocar rolloff. Now that's an Autocar

ran one just like it many moons ago. including the winch

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nice lookin dash but that funky grease soaking steer wheel would have to go

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That, and like my old Star, a chrome steering wheel looks good but the damn thing blinds you every time the sun gets on it, LOL.

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28 minutes ago, carlotpilot said:

nice lookin dash but that funky grease soaking steer wheel would have to go

Both "soft feel" and hard plastic steering wheels can be supplied, but I imagine most people will request the soft feel.

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