Why is this engine tilted? Dodge Cabover

[BOBWhite]

I saw this today on marketplace and I've never seen an engine tilted this way in a semi. I knew that some of the 1990s and 2000s sterling trucks tilted there engines a bit for hood clearance but nothing like this. I'm guessing they could put bigger engines in this way. 

I knew Dodge liked to slant there engines but I had no idea they did it to other makes as well. 

Link: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/299320789122308/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_general&referral_story_type=general&tracking={"qid"%3A"-3666958892479636344"%2C"mf_story_key"%3A"29076243034241086"%2C"commerce_rank_obj"%3A"{\"target_id\"%3A29076243034241086%2C\"target_type\"%3A6%2C\"primary_position\"%3A28%2C\"ranking_signature\"%3A796658786356953088%2C\"commerce_channel\"%3A501%2C\"value\"%3A0.0014730084186282%2C\"upsell_type\"%3A103%2C\"candidate_retrieval_source_map\"%3A{\"6032705626834469\"%3A3016%2C\"5942602795844612\"%3A3016%2C\"5392245820877913\"%3A3533%2C\"6435103849912209\"%3A3016%2C\"5926608737450143\"%3A3016%2C\"6114664928586775\"%3A3016}%2C\"grouping_info\"%3Anull}"%2C"lightning_feed_qid"%3A"-3667928180821417887"%2C"lightning_feed_ranking_signature"%3A"6372609484367331328"%2C"ftmd_400706"%3A"111112l"}

[tjc transport]

tilting the engine makes a little more room in engine bay. 

i have seen some macks with tilted engines too.

[Geoff Weeks]

Ford, Dodge, White,  slanted There may be others also.

Played heck when they were converted to RHD.

[High Binder]

In 56, IH tilted the Cummins engine to lower the height of the High Binder.

 

 

[Brocky]

Diamond T tilted some engines in short hood models to get the doghouse under the dash.. Geoff mentioned the White 9000, and Autocar made a snub nosed model also , Not sure about REO??? 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Brocky

[mechohaulic]

did head gaskets on an ole white conventional yrs ago that had the slanted cummins . what a pain - in- ass. as stated it was slanted to fit  half under fire wall and in to cab with dog house.  corner studs 325 lbs torque ?  no room to put 3/4 dr torque wrench . bad enough putting heads under cab with flat engine!! two of us holding head off gasket so not destroy it going under slanted 

[h67st]

mechohaulic, that brings back memories! I worked at Cat and we would get LN9000 Fords that had a 3406 halfway under the cab (slightly tilted). It was a royal pain to swap cylinder packs in those.

[Terry T]

The 3406 in my Ford was on an angle.

[davehummell]

The White 5000 I owned and drove it had a 220 Cummins tilted, it made the truck cab low. It was either a 59 or 60 with a fiberglass cab if I remember correctly.

[70mackMB]

The MB is laid over also to make room for the 2 stick shift tower.    .....Hippy   

[mowerman]

wow,,,almost missed this.....i have never seen one

[Geoff Weeks]

20 minutes ago, mowerman said:

wow,,,almost missed this.....i have never seen one

Dodge Heavy or slanted engine? Dodge bowed out of the heavy market in I think '73 or 75 but were never a big player in heavy trucks.

[mowerman]

thanks for that.....my first car was a 64 plymouth valiant with the slant 6.....kind of a goofy little car.lol also drove a conventional dodge trash truck one day,,,just helping out a buddy of mine i think is was around a 66....gas job....i do remember the steering wheel was huge,,and it had pullout refrigerator door handles

[Geoff Weeks]

They sold a fair number of medium trucks, but Class 8 road tractors they had a much smaller market share.

I had a '73 Dart Sport (Duster clone) with a '65 225 and an Aspen O/D 4 speed and 3.23 rear. Would get high 20's @55 and low 20's at 80, Topped out at 103 in O/D 105 in direct.

[tjc transport]

55 minutes ago, mowerman said:

thanks for that.....my first car was a 64 plymouth valiant with the slant 6.....kind of a goofy little car.lol also drove a conventional dodge trash truck one day,,,just helping out a buddy of mine i think is was around a 66....gas job....i do remember the steering wheel was huge,,and it had pullout refrigerator door handles

65 was laast year for fridge door handles on trucks.

66 went to regular car door handle

[mowerman]

1 hour ago, Geoff Weeks said:

They sold a fair number of medium trucks, but Class 8 road tractors they had a much smaller market share.

I had a '73 Dart Sport (Duster clone) with a '65 225 and an Aspen O/D 4 speed and 3.23 rear. Would get high 20's @55 and low 20's at 80, Topped out at 103 in O/D 105 in direct.

I was working at a Plymouth dealer and 72 it was one of my first jobs washbay saw hundreds of brand new 73 scamps and dusters

[mowerman]

And fury’s pretty nice looking lineup back on those days where they still made real cars

[mowerman]

Oh, the good all days I didn’t even have a drivers license yet got to drive all these brand new cars in and out of the washbay

[doubleclutchinweasel]

On 8/8/2023 at 12:43 AM, BOBWhite said:

I saw this today on marketplace and I've never seen an engine tilted this way in a semi. I knew that some of the 1990s and 2000s sterling trucks tilted there engines a bit for hood clearance but nothing like this. I'm guessing they could put bigger engines in this way. 

I knew Dodge liked to slant there engines but I had no idea they did it to other makes as well. 

Link: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/299320789122308/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_general&referral_story_type=general&tracking={"qid"%3A"-3666958892479636344"%2C"mf_story_key"%3A"29076243034241086"%2C"commerce_rank_obj"%3A"{\"target_id\"%3A29076243034241086%2C\"target_type\"%3A6%2C\"primary_position\"%3A28%2C\"ranking_signature\"%3A796658786356953088%2C\"commerce_channel\"%3A501%2C\"value\"%3A0.0014730084186282%2C\"upsell_type\"%3A103%2C\"candidate_retrieval_source_map\"%3A{\"6032705626834469\"%3A3016%2C\"5942602795844612\"%3A3016%2C\"5392245820877913\"%3A3533%2C\"6435103849912209\"%3A3016%2C\"5926608737450143\"%3A3016%2C\"6114664928586775\"%3A3016}%2C\"grouping_info\"%3Anull}"%2C"lightning_feed_qid"%3A"-3667928180821417887"%2C"lightning_feed_ranking_signature"%3A"6372609484367331328"%2C"ftmd_400706"%3A"111112l"}

Engine is straight. Truck, camera, and ground are tilted. 

[mrsmackpaul]

Ford D series and Cargos had motors that laid over from new 

They were built from the 60's to well into the 90's

The motors were better built than the trucks I felt

Slant 6 were available in Dodge trucks in Australia until the normal inline 6 cylinder hemi came of age 

 

 

Paul

[BOBWhite]

Well I had no idea that tilted engines were as common as they were. They seem to have fallen out of favor in most applications except in busses. 

I don't envy the folks who have to work on these but I do envy those like Paul who got the Hemi inline 6 down in Australia...

[Geoff Weeks]

Work ed M.A.N.'s that were Propane fired, looked just like that.

[mrsmackpaul]

I think the length laws in the U.S. been relaxed had a lot to do with them falling out of favor 

I wonder if bore wears in a oval shape or maybe it makes no difference at all

 

Paul 

[70mackMB]

Back when buses had 318 DD in them (GMC 4106 model for example). Not only did they turn backwards but on their side with the right head facing up. You had to remove the rear seat to get at it for service. The motor was mounted side to side, with a 45* angle to a 4 speed transmission, 90* tail shaft/drive shaft to 45* rear end. They sure were fun to drive! Best picture l could find of an '06.    .....Hippy 

  

Edited August 11, 2023 by 70mackMB
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[mrsmackpaul]

Bugger me, thats different, was the motor changed a lot to allow the oil to drain from the rocker cover ?

 

Paul