Antique truck insurance & tags

[MACK MAN]

I am sure this has been talked about before,but here it goes.My antique trucks are insured with J C Taylor,no problems.I want to start to use my 1980 KW to haul my AC Mack to truck shows in my state(Oklahoma) and out of state.I have Oklahoma tractor tags on the KW now,do I need a IFTA sticker?will I need IRP tags being I am going out of state?.Do I need to stop at the open scale houses? I have a friend of mine who knows everything just ask him,sometimes he's right.He says if you are hauling your own trucks and are not making any money from,by selling or going to a auction you do not need to stop.Also no IFTA needed,no DOT numbers or IRP tags.I have asked 4 different Oklahoma DOT guys and have been given 5 different answers.I own my own stepdeck trailer,it is not leased it is owned.

Thanks AL

[yarnall]

I have JC Taylor for insurance and they made me sign something that said I would not pull trailers or haul anything with my trucks. Mike

[1958 F.W.D.]

Contact the ATCA. They have a full, comprehensive list of requirements/regulations for each and every state.

[Outbehindthebarn]

Scale house stops are mandatory. Any vehicle over 10k...

[thomastractorsvc]

I have Haggerty Ins for my trucks and lowboy trailer. I can pull the trailer with what ever I want on it as long as it is not for hire and in support of the "hobby" i.e. truck shows and events or the repair shop. Can not pull a RV/camper trailer. In Missouri have to have a mileage log showing to and from and stop at the scales. On my first trip out of state (trip to Walcott Iowa) I got twenty questions from the scale officer basically asking me 20 different ways what I was doing and where I was going, trying to see if I was selling or hauling for profit. When I gave him the registration, insurance and Missouri vehicle log http://dor.mo.gov/forms/4012.pdf, he said okay and I was on my way.

Years ago when I was stationed in the Military District of Washington, I drove a commercial semi truck for the US Army all over the US. We were exempt from all DOT stuff and I was told from the chain of command did not need to stop. After blowing by them for a few months with out any response I was down near the SC boarder on I95 and three troopers took after me in hot pursuit. I was pulling a leased trailer with commercial tags so they could not see the US Govt license plate. We did not wear uniforms so they started raising hell about not stopping and on and on and I gave one of them the military documents and my CDL and military ID and they changed there tune. They then asked if I could kindly still go through the scales from now on or mark the trailer and truck with US Govt. So unless I was being escorted when I was outside the DC area I started stopping and had a sign made that was stuck on the back of the the log book binder and would just hold that up. The trucks were never over weight and so I never got asked to pull over for inspection.

[1958 F.W.D.]

Scale house stops are mandatory. Any vehicle over 10k...

NOT TRUE.

In the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, a vehicle tagged, titled and insured as an ANTIQUE and is not acting in Commerce is not required to stop at scales, even if it weighs in excess of 26,001 pounds.

[Brocky]

Basically you do NOT have to stop at the scales.. BUT!! Especially with an 80's model truck it is best to pull in and let them see your Historic / Antique plate rather than having them chase you down thinking you are blowing the scale with a commercial plate.

Remember that if your are polite to them, 98% will return the act.

[Maddog13407]

agree, If your driving an older truck but looks like it could be used to make money, its best to stop. we even stopped with the B models on the way to York, got waved on thru and have a good day. id rather stop than be chased down

[jackb61sx]

I have to agree, if a scale is open like they where on my way down to Macungie from Mass, we all pulled in with our trucks and only Conn did not wave us through till they actually saw the trucks then just let us go. Its easier to pull in than have them chase you down. As far as insurance on my truck I have Commerce and so long as I have the antique plates on the truck there are none for a trailer here I can haul a trailer and another vehicle so long as its my own with no issues.

Jack

[mackr400]

Can you run antique plates at night in pa ?

Thanks Phil

[JTFormula]

I have historic tags on my General and Gulfway insurance. They allow me to pull a trailer as long as it's for my own use and not commercial use. Since I've only driven this thing locally a couple times, I've never came across a scale but I'd probably pull in just to be on the safe side.

[eddeere]

I do not think there is any good answer to this. I had Gulfwayinsurers on my Mack with Ohio historical plates and was allowed to pull a trailer. I was never near any scales but would have stopped. All states seem to be different and D.O.T officers in the same state will give different answers. A few years ago I had a 1 ton truck & 25' gooseneck and was stopped buy the D.O.T. in Indiana. All I had was an IFTA sticker. After I passed a safety inspection. The officer said you have four violations come back to the car with your paper work. I said I only haul my own stuff. His answer was "doesn't matter when you cross state lines with any thing with a GVWR rating over 10,000# you fall under Federal jurisdiction". I do not know where antique trucks fall under this but I would a get a CDL or medical card and paper work for a annual inspection which you can do your self. A log book is good. They pulled my IFTA sticker and sent my last payment back reason did not travel enough miles for all the paper work. This is what I haul with now and get pulled over sometimes but just get told to go on. I think if you are polite,have some paper work, and act like are trying things work out. I always scale. If they chase you it is not good.

[Brocky]

Our South Carolina Transport Police man said that other states must honor the base plate state antique/historical laws..

[1958 F.W.D.]

I do not think there is any good answer to this. I had Gulfwayinsurers on my Mack with Ohio historical plates and was allowed to pull a trailer. I was never near any scales but would have stopped. All states seem to be different and D.O.T officers in the same state will give different answers. A few years ago I had a 1 ton truck & 25' gooseneck and was stopped buy the D.O.T. in Indiana. All I had was an IFTA sticker. After I passed a safety inspection. The officer said you have four violations come back to the car with your paper work. I said I only haul my own stuff. His answer was "doesn't matter when you cross state lines with any thing with a GVWR rating over 10,000# you fall under Federal jurisdiction". I do not know where antique trucks fall under this but I would a get a CDL or medical card and paper work for a annual inspection which you can do your self. A log book is good. They pulled my IFTA sticker and sent my last payment back reason did not travel enough miles for all the paper work. This is what I haul with now and get pulled over sometimes but just get told to go on. I think if you are polite,have some paper work, and act like are trying things work out. I always scale. If they chase you it is not good.

I posted this in another thread a few days ago:

One thing that I learned when I first purchased my toy......and tried to title/tag it......

96% of the people answering the phones, that stand behind the counters, or otherwise disperse information or are in charge of approving the paperwork for issuing titles or tags at the various State Agencies HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE about the regulations and laws that cover antique rigs that are privately owned hobby rigs and are no longer within commerce. THIS INCLUDES THE COPS OUT THERE. Many of them are clueless about CDL exemptions and commercial regulations exempting antiques.

You need to make it your mission to find the 4% that DO HAVE A CLUE, because the 96% will insist that they are correct, will make ZERO effort to look up the codes, even if you cite them, and will not pick up the phone to find a member of the 4% club.

I had to get one of my elected officials involved. Yes. It was that bad.

[hpgtowing]

Al the way it was explained to me, Antique vehicles fall into the RV catagory, no CDL required, not required to stop at DOT weigh stations... and you are correct they must not be for hire....Be safe and take care Al...

[eddeere]

I am sure all this is true. All it takes is one DOT officer having a bad day and can ruin yours also. Proving you are not for hire can be difficult sometimes. I ran passed a closed scale in Iowa the DOT officer on his way to open the scale crossed over the interstate chased me down. He asked why I ran passed his scale? In his car he told me he could get my S.S.no. pull my tax records and all the things he could do. One thing that helped me was he was being late to open his scale and let me go. The signs in Iowa say all trucks over 6,000# must scale. It could his word against mine if I got a citation.

[Outbehindthebarn]

NOT TRUE.

In the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, a vehicle tagged, titled and insured as an ANTIQUE and is not acting in Commerce is not required to stop at scales, even if it weighs in excess of 26,001 pounds.

In the "real world" its true. Blow past an open scale with antique plates, farm plates, or something else with a load of your own toys, crops, or sail boat fuel and I GUARANTEE you'll be chased, harassed, and possibly found out of compliance.

Unfortunately the law in PA is that passenger cars towing large trailers are required to stop at weigh stations. The weight limit for having to get weighed in PA is 10000 pounds (5 tons).

Cops aren't going to see an antique plate until your pulled over. Isn't that what he's trying to avoid?