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[kscarbel2]

Under Obama, over 3 million people were deported—but 75–83% never saw a judge or had a chance to plead their case.

Most were removed through expedited processes at the border—no court hearing, no trial. 

And this isn't unique to Obama. Under Clinton and Bush, millions were also deported without judicial oversight.
Due process? Apparently, only if a republican or Donald Trump is in charge! 

Where was all the outrage then? Where were the protests against Obama, Clinton, or Bush? This has been standard practice under many presidents before Trump.

No president in U.S. history has ever been required to get permission from the courts—or from anyone else—to defend the sovereignty of their own borders. 

[Geoff Weeks]

While that figure is true according to several sources, it is also misleading.

Mostly it consisted to 2 groups, those crossing, then seeing a emigration officer (not a judge) and not found to have credible claim to enter and sent back, and 2) those that have crossed before, sent back and crossed again. That is very different than scooping people off the street, saying they are "illegal" without any proof or verification on the governments part, and wisked off to another country.

The very big difference is that they were either caught when crossing, or had been previously identified and when caught again given the choice of fighting while in lock-up or "voluntary" deportation, most chose being deported over being locked up. in both cases their identity was verified.

Today we have people being deported in the night who HAVE seen a judge and HAVE been granted the right to stay. We have people being picked up and deported without the chance to prove if they are a citizen or have seen a judge and.or been granted the right to stay.We have those picked up because they "look Latin" and have a similar name.

Just because ICE accuses someone of being "illegal" doesn't make it so. If you are accused of a crime, that doesn't make you guilty, The police, be it your local town cop or an ICE agent doesn't get to be all three, judge jury and executioner. THAT IS OUR SYSTEM and it keeps everybody safe from being railroaded.   

I have no problem sending "crosser" back at the point of entry if they don't meet the criteria for one of the programs that let them stay. I don't have a problem deporting those with orders of removal if they have them as long as time is taken to verify their identity (finger prints). I have a real big problem when people are picked up off the street (not at/ near the boarder) and not given a chance to contest what they are being accused of but has not been verified by the courts.

I was born here, lived all my life here, but I can not produce a piece of paper that "proves" I am a citizen while on the street, If you apply the same rule that you do to Juan, to me, then what is keeping me out of Salvadorian prison? Nothing other than I am white and look anglo. That is not rule of law, that is harkoning back to the days of slavery that every black person was a slave until proved otherwise.

[kscarbel2]

1 hour ago, Geoff Weeks said:

While that figure is true according to several sources, it is also misleading.

Mostly it consisted to 2 groups, those crossing, then seeing a emigration officer (not a judge) and not found to have credible claim to enter and sent back, and 2) those that have crossed before, sent back and crossed again. That is very different than scooping people off the street, saying they are "illegal" without any proof or verification on the governments part, and wisked off to another country.

The very big difference is that they were either caught when crossing, or had been previously identified and when caught again given the choice of fighting while in lock-up or "voluntary" deportation, most chose being deported over being locked up. in both cases their identity was verified.

Today we have people being deported in the night who HAVE seen a judge and HAVE been granted the right to stay. We have people being picked up and deported without the chance to prove if they are a citizen or have seen a judge and.or been granted the right to stay.We have those picked up because they "look Latin" and have a similar name.

Just because ICE accuses someone of being "illegal" doesn't make it so. If you are accused of a crime, that doesn't make you guilty, The police, be it your local town cop or an ICE agent doesn't get to be all three, judge jury and executioner. THAT IS OUR SYSTEM and it keeps everybody safe from being railroaded.   

I have no problem sending "crosser" back at the point of entry if they don't meet the criteria for one of the programs that let them stay. I don't have a problem deporting those with orders of removal if they have them as long as time is taken to verify their identity (finger prints). I have a real big problem when people are picked up off the street (not at/ near the boarder) and not given a chance to contest what they are being accused of but has not been verified by the courts.

I was born here, lived all my life here, but I can not produce a piece of paper that "proves" I am a citizen while on the street, If you apply the same rule that you do to Juan, to me, then what is keeping me out of Salvadorian prison? Nothing other than I am white and look anglo. That is not rule of law, that is harkoning back to the days of slavery that every black person was a slave until proved otherwise.

The point is, all these people intended to cross into the United States illegally. 

If any had not been "caught", would they have turned around and left? No. 

Their action/intention was to criminally enter another country.

People who have "illegally" entered the United States have NO right to due process, as they aren't supposed to be on U.S. soil to begin with. It is only through their criminal action that they stand on U.S. soil.

[mowerman]

Pretty much my opinion get out and don’t come back.. bob

[Geoff Weeks]

You can't "suspend" the rule of law because it is "inconvenient" to reach your desired outcome. I am not say we should not deport, only that we must follow the law to do so. 

If you have a open deportation order, don't let the gate hit you in the butt on the way out, That is the difference between prior admin's (of both parties) and the current one who "doesn't know" if he has to uphold the constitution!

This admin is sending letters to citizens to "self deport". which just shows they have no idea who they are deporting.

[Joey Mack]

I keep seeing where Obama deported over a million without using the U.S. court system, and no one complained.  Just curious what the difference is ? 

[Geoff Weeks]

The difference was explained in my post above. either caught at the boarder, and ruled not eligible for one of the programs, or caught after being expelled the 1st time where at deportation order had been already issued on that person, that is the difference.

Bush, Obama, Trump (1) and Biden all did it the legal way, this time they are not following the law.

I have no problem expelling those without the legal right to be here, but do it according to the law, you can't say "we don't have time to follow the law therefore we will ignore it">

 

[Joseph Cummings]

 

[Joey Mack]

I wish i could be there to see who is being deported .  Democrats say everyone is, but i cant imagine that .  I feel like its criminals at many different levels. I would like to think that they are offered a shot at citizenship, which is what i thought the self deport part was about. Expired Visa's are also a reason for deportation, if they havent trued to renew it.  

[mowerman]

i find it hard to believe thier just grabbing everybody,,,,and dont forget,,,the main street media will hand us anything,,,bob

[70mackMB]

Let me know if you see any of those illegal military age men from China being thrown out!    .....Hippy

[Joseph Cummings]

2 hours ago, Joseph Cummings said:

 

Lady went down a "Free Energy" rabbit hole about midway. Kind of destroys her credibility. Sime guy with a company called "Brilliant Light" that claims to have discovered a lower  energy state of hydrogen. I ain't buying that crap

https://brilliantlightpower.com/

[Mark T]

4 hours ago, Joey Mack said:

I keep seeing where Obama deported over a million without using the U.S. court system, and no one complained.  Just curious what the difference is ? 

Difference ?   IDK  maybe because for the first time in history the invasion was planned ?  At what other point have you ever seen so many from all over come over the border in waves ? You really think millions ( yes literally millions ) of people all just figured out how to travel hundreds or thousands of miles and know just where to cross and get in to overwhelmed immagration agencies . There has never been anything like this and in the digital age. Now, there are thos ewho say "due process" why is that the thing that all of a sudden has to be followed ?  So many other forms of due process have been ignored and trampled all over. Giving every one of these criminal illegals would take a century to process let alone the cost . What value to society are they ?  It's all a huge drain on our economy is all it is.  We can't afford bridges and roads to drive on that aren't falling apart. Can't afford to take care of veterans.....but give the illegal due process.  Difference ???? if you're not balls deep in the results of it all, then you're all for due process and all that BS. However, if you're fortunate enough to be around it all and have to learn to adjust your life to it all, then there's a difference. Drastic times call for drastic measures.

[Geoff Weeks]

4 hours ago, Mark T said:

. Drastic times call for drastic measures.

So, you'd be fine with the next administration deciding that the 2nd amendment is causing too many deaths  so they can ignore it? round up all the guns, deport those that resist! I'd love to hear what you would say then!

[Mark T]

IDK about second amendment. I do know that since I posted that earlier, an illegal broke into a neighbor's house here and attacked the 16 year old girl in there .   Where's her justice ?  Kid's apt to be scarred for life.  Great huh ??

[harrybarbon]

17 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said:

While that figure is true according to several sources, it is also misleading.

Mostly it consisted to 2 groups, those crossing, then seeing a emigration officer (not a judge) and not found to have credible claim to enter and sent back, and 2) those that have crossed before, sent back and crossed again. That is very different than scooping people off the street, saying they are "illegal" without any proof or verification on the governments part, and wisked off to another country.

The very big difference is that they were either caught when crossing, or had been previously identified and when caught again given the choice of fighting while in lock-up or "voluntary" deportation, most chose being deported over being locked up. in both cases their identity was verified.

Today we have people being deported in the night who HAVE seen a judge and HAVE been granted the right to stay. We have people being picked up and deported without the chance to prove if they are a citizen or have seen a judge and.or been granted the right to stay.We have those picked up because they "look Latin" and have a similar name.

Just because ICE accuses someone of being "illegal" doesn't make it so. If you are accused of a crime, that doesn't make you guilty, The police, be it your local town cop or an ICE agent doesn't get to be all three, judge jury and executioner. THAT IS OUR SYSTEM and it keeps everybody safe from being railroaded.   

I have no problem sending "crosser" back at the point of entry if they don't meet the criteria for one of the programs that let them stay. I don't have a problem deporting those with orders of removal if they have them as long as time is taken to verify their identity (finger prints). I have a real big problem when people are picked up off the street (not at/ near the boarder) and not given a chance to contest what they are being accused of but has not been verified by the courts.

I was born here, lived all my life here, but I can not produce a piece of paper that "proves" I am a citizen while on the street, If you apply the same rule that you do to Juan, to me, then what is keeping me out of Salvadorian prison? Nothing other than I am white and look anglo. That is not rule of law, that is harkoning back to the days of slavery that every black person was a slave until proved otherwise.

This may be a bit of splitting hairs.

Once a person crosses the country boundary of USA or Australia, they are on the land of the country. If they are apprehended after setting foot on USA territory by 20 meters in or after they have traveled 100, 200 miles or more they are nevertheless on the land of the USA or Australia illegally, distance should not be relevant, they are on the land without a legal right to be on the land of USA or Australia. Their status is they are illegal migrants. Moving inland should not alter the fact that they entered the country illegally. Moreover, they intended to enter the land of the USA illegally. We have the same situation with illegals arriving by sea onto our land. They are deemed illegals and they have no rights. Once caught they are put into detention and dealt with under the law as illegals. That is why the Aust govt sends them to various other places, until their application for refugee status is assessed. If they fail to be assessed as refugees, they are returned to their country.

My great grandfather and grandfather and their cousins went to USA to work and had planned to bring their families to live permanently in the USA. My grandfather did this twice, 1913 to 1917 and 1926 to 1930. They all arrived into the USA with the required documentation. Unfortunately, world events and economic depression prevented their plans to return to live in the USA. They came with good legal intentions and legal documents.

I recall the Elvis movie, it was revealed that Col Tom Parker was an illegal migrant and why he never traveled out of USA. And the authorities knew he was an illegal, but no action was taken.

[Geoff Weeks]

4 hours ago, harrybarbon said:

T They all arrived into the USA with the required documentation.

There was no "required documentation", People paid for passage, and went though "Ellis Island"or other entry port. Most had nothing, the lucky ones could name someone who was a family member who were going to take them, but many did not.

There was no getting a visa at an embassy in some other country. There was no "pre-screening", they came off the boat and if the US denied entry, the US often had to pay to send them back, many had nothing or 50 cents left when they arrived,

My Grandfather came in that way, through New York, but he had an Uncle who had already made it in. Someone has to be 1st.

[kscarbel2]

 

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REPORT: Trump to Welcome First Batch of White South African Refugees Fleeing Government-Sponsored Racial Persecution to U.S. Within Days

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/05/report-trump-welcome-first-batch-white-south-african/