dieselfitter Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Howdy All, I have a 1994 CL713 tandem. Pulled the trans. and sent it to the shop to repair 12th gear and a shift fork. When I got the trans back, all of the air lines and diversion valves were put nicely in a box with no labels. I have tried for weeks to find information on this transmission and have found nothing. We do a lot of business with the Mack dealership and they can find nothing either. I have reinstalled the transmission and have gotten all of the forward gears to work, but have no reverse. When I put it to (R) on the shift knob I get the same results as I get when I put it to (N) other than the shift piston is moving. I know that the shift shaft is moving back and forth because the indicator comes on and I have pulled the plug and watched it with a mirror. I'm not quite sure how to plumb the inversion valve into reverse (ports 3 and 4). Seems like I'm putting the trans. into neutral and doing nothing more than moving the (R) shift shaft back and forth. What else has to be engaged to make reverse work? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am stumped! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoos Brothers Construction Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Not to sound stupid but you did put the gear shift in one of the 1-5 gear holes with it in reverse right? I have an air line diagram for a 1070B I could scan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselfitter Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 Not stupid at all! Going to the shop in a few minutes to pull the top cover off and see what is going on. I was hoping that after a $4000.00 bill at the mack dealership for the tranny repair that would not be the problem. Last night I pulled the side cover off to peek up through the trans. I could see the shaft and the dog moving back and forth, but no gears moving. Couldn't see much through the hole, so now off comes the top. When I go through the pressure and exhaust graph that I have everything is as it should be. Ports 1-4 are on the diagram, but no 5-6 for the extended range. I am probably making this harder than it needs to be and get myself confused. If you have the schematic with the extended range, I would love to see it. Thank you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, dieselfitter said: Not stupid at all! Going to the shop in a few minutes to pull the top cover off and see what is going on. I was hoping that after a $4000.00 bill at the mack dealership for the tranny repair that would not be the problem. Last night I pulled the side cover off to peek up through the trans. I could see the shaft and the dog moving back and forth, but no gears moving. Couldn't see much through the hole, so now off comes the top. When I go through the pressure and exhaust graph that I have everything is as it should be. Ports 1-4 are on the diagram, but no 5-6 for the extended range. I am probably making this harder than it needs to be and get myself confused. If you have the schematic with the extended range, I would love to see it. Thank you, When you say extended range are you talking the low-low hole on the front box, that will not show the main shifter. terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselfitter Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 Referring to the low gear reduction that is activated by the switch on the dash. Ports 5 and 6. Has an inversion valve and not sure if I have it plumbed right. Seems to work, but would like to see the schem. to make sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Here is a diagram with the inversion valve. 1 Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselfitter Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 According to the diagram, I have the inversion valve for reverse hooked up correctly! After dealing with 3 separate mack dealerships that is the 1st schem that I have seen with the supply, delivery and control for the inversion valve spelled out. There is still 1 more air shift on top of the trans. for the low gear reduction that doesn't show up on any of the diagrams. It will show ports 5 and 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoos Brothers Construction Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 6 hours ago, dieselfitter said: According to the diagram, I have the inversion valve for reverse hooked up correctly! After dealing with 3 separate mack dealerships that is the 1st schem that I have seen with the supply, delivery and control for the inversion valve spelled out. There is still 1 more air shift on top of the trans. for the low gear reduction that doesn't show up on any of the diagrams. It will show ports 5 and 6. The low hole is completely seperate as stated above with its own inversion valve. There is exhaust, supply, and 1-4 on the knob. Low is on a seperate switch. I'll get my diagram tomorrow that has extended range on it. I made my own diagram as MAck never showed it with the low hole. It almost sounds to me like some body missed the fork when they put the air shifter cover back on. It can be a pain in the ass to get it there right sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselfitter Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 Finally! Pulled the top cover off and sure enough the shift dog was not in the fork hole. Used a mirror to look under the cover as I put it back on. Hooked all of the airlines back up and put it in reverse. Backed out of the shop, went forward about 20' and tried to go back in reverse. No GO! Just grinding.. Cycled the shifter through the positions and it was stuck in forward when I put it back to reverse. Pulled the cover back off and left the air hooked up and cycled it back and forth again. The reverse shaft was barely moving back and forth. Pulled the cylinders apart and they were full of gunk. I had given Mack the seal kit and asked that the shifter be rebuilt as well. Nothing was touched. Cleaned it up and put it back together. Works like a charm! The truck has an air dryer and a filter. Filter doesn't look like it had ever been changed. The lesson learned here is that I assumed that the shop would repair and assemble the transmission correctly. None of the tranny shops that we do business with would touch it because they had no information on it. Reluctantly I took the trans. to a Mack dealer. Paid a ton of money and still ended up having a mess. Don't work on or have a lot of Macks in our area. After reading some of the information that you guys have put on the forum, I can tell you that if and when I have another problem I will be right back here. Thank you!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlotpilot Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 mack ain`t what it used to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselfitter Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 Seems like the industry lost a lot of good educated people all at once. Talking with the younger guys at the dealerships, they all knew of someone with the information that either retired or passed away within the past few years and the information was never passed on in the shop. Mack made some really cool stuff, just not a lot of it! With all of the new equipment and changes being made it is almost impossible to find the information unless you have access to one of the old timers that is willing to give you a minute or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlotpilot Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 well said only a couple left here local that have a clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 hours ago, dieselfitter said: Pulled the cylinders apart and they were full of gunk. I had given Mack the seal kit and asked that the shifter be rebuilt as well. Nothing was touched. 4 hours ago, dieselfitter said: I assumed that the shop would repair and assemble the transmission correctly. Have you Paid them ?? Quote "Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter...don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter." - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swishy Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 DF gudday m8 Az Yoos B C asked (but no answer) Did U put the big stir n stik in a gear with the air selector switch in lo or Neutral & reverse doz the truck move 4ward duz it not move with the gear stik in a cog and Neutral on the air switch duz it go backwards with the big stik in gear n Reverse selected on the air selector BestOLuckO cya §wishy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Blaylock Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Did you change the air filter on the transmission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoos Brothers Construction Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) Glad you got it going again. That's why we do all our own engine and tranny work. Nobody want to touch 12 spds. Iv'e helped my Dad redo lots of them. I really don't see what the big deal is. I'd rather do a Mack tranny any day over a Fuller. Edited March 19, 2018 by Yoos Brothers Construction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselfitter Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 Really thought that taking the transmission to Mack would be a quick easy solution. In most cases I would have just put a reman in but couldn't find one. Talking with Mack, they made it sound like an easy fix. We are a fairly large and busy shop here in the mountains of Colorado so I try to out source transmissions and differentials. Like I had said before, there are not a lot of Macks around here or the information to work on them. We have Mitchell 1, but not very helpful in a lot of areas concerning Mack trucks. Out of the 100 or so trucks that we maintain I think we have 3 Macks. I put an injection pump on and E7 350 here awhile back and added that to my "Never again!" list... I did order a case of transmission air filters for the customer. I'm confident that the failure of this transmission was due to sticky cylinders and gummed up inversion valves. Installed all new airlines on tranny, replaced regulator and rebuilt inversion valves. Filled transmission with synthetic 50wt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 hours ago, dieselfitter said: Really thought that taking the transmission to Mack would be a quick easy solution. In most cases I would have just put a reman in but couldn't find one. Talking with Mack, they made it sound like an easy fix. We are a fairly large and busy shop here in the mountains of Colorado so I try to out source transmissions and differentials. Like I had said before, there are not a lot of Macks around here or the information to work on them. We have Mitchell 1, but not very helpful in a lot of areas concerning Mack trucks. Out of the 100 or so trucks that we maintain I think we have 3 Macks. I put an injection pump on and E7 350 here awhile back and added that to my "Never again!" list... I did order a case of transmission air filters for the customer. I'm confident that the failure of this transmission was due to sticky cylinders and gummed up inversion valves. Installed all new airlines on tranny, replaced regulator and rebuilt inversion valves. Filled transmission with synthetic 50wt. Isn't the 107 series supposed to have at least 90W gear oil, maybe the newer mack trans. take the 50W synthetic. terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genoredstar Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Hmmmmm. that might be a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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