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The 673 Mack naturally aspirated and later turbo versions were great economical and reliable engines. However it was to small to compete with the 855 Cummins and its turbocharged versions in the day. Mack's first answer was the 711(never factory turboed) which had its share of problems and it was still to small to compete with Cummins and Detroit. Next Mack went with the 864 V8 but as with the 711 it failed in the market place. About this time Cat entered the scene. Mack just didn't have a big bore product to compete with Cummins Cat and Detroit. Mack lost diesel momentum until the 237/300/350 came along. These were great engines which sold well, but they were still on the small side. The E-7 mechanical was a great engine but again on the small side. By the time the E9 was perfected Mack had lost the V8 momentum. The Mack electronic emissions engines were also problem prone as were other manufacturers engines. If Mack had pursued the "Big Six" instead of the V8 or along side it, they would have been better off IMHO. The present MP-7&8 engines are Idecent engines but still can't compete in the western mountains or Canada. Volvo wants to push their product for these regions with the ISX-15. They would be better off pushing the ISX- 15 in the new Pinnacle. This would put Mack back on the same page with Paccar, Freightliner and VW (Navistar). When was the Reo V-8 first used and how long did its run last. Who else used the Reo V-8 besides White? I see they were 440 cubes and 1200 pounds.

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On 10/9/2021 at 11:47 AM, james j neiweem said:

The 673 Mack naturally aspirated and later turbo versions were great economical and reliable engines. However it was to small to compete with the 855 Cummins and its turbocharged versions in the day. Mack's first answer was the 711(never factory turboed) which had its share of problems and it was still to small to compete with Cummins and Detroit. Next Mack went with the 864 V8 but as with the 711 it failed in the market place. About this time Cat entered the scene. Mack just didn't have a big bore product to compete with Cummins Cat and Detroit. Mack lost diesel momentum until the 237/300/350 came along. These were great engines which sold well, but they were still on the small side. The E-7 mechanical was a great engine but again on the small side. By the time the E9 was perfected Mack had lost the V8 momentum. The Mack electronic emissions engines were also problem prone as were other manufacturers engines. If Mack had pursued the "Big Six" instead of the V8 or along side it, they would have been better off IMHO. The present MP-7&8 engines are Idecent engines but still can't compete in the western mountains or Canada. Volvo wants to push their product for these regions with the ISX-15. They would be better off pushing the ISX- 15 in the new Pinnacle. This would put Mack back on the same page with Paccar, Freightliner and VW (Navistar). When was the Reo V-8 first used and how long did its run last. Who else used the Reo V-8 besides White? I see they were 440 cubes and 1200 pounds.

It really seems deliberate that Volvo limited Mack's powertrain choices especially after the MP series came out. Imagine how many Macks would have been sold if they offered Cummins in the Granites, pinnacle, Titan and even now the Anthem. It also seems they purposely designed the newer Mack's to not be able to use engines bigger than 13 liters

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