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I did not say Renault was not good to Mack. But the cold truth is Mack was not making money the way they were run. Why should someone invest in a business that was not making money? Mack is owned by Volvo today because it was not making money.

The day that the Mack board let Renault in, is the day Mack was not Mack anymore. If Mack was so well run why did they need Renault? Mack needed money that is why. Why did it take so long for the CV to come out? Why did they not build a SFA CL600-CL700 Superliner replacement? Why did they not build the CA600 (slope front)? Why did Mack (Renault) never build a baby 8 truck like the Ford LTS 8000, which I see many still on the road running today 22 years after Ford quit?

Kscarbal you are so right about the real Power Wagon

Because of the troops killed, wounded, and the troops that kept pushing on we all live free today.

"For years, carmakers (truck makers too) and auto parts suppliers have built vehicles and parts in Mexico, taking advantage of the country's cheap labor". 25% starting 6-6-2019 would be better and build the wall, no gates. Mexico knows how to stop the tariffs if they want to.

Paul a over loaded dump truck on city streets is not the same as a over loaded dump truck on a dirt road out back or on job site. I know all about over loading dump trucks when I am loading someone trucks that I do not own. Four weeks ago we were loading out wet clay on to 5 axle dump trailers ( 28 yd.). 2008 KW T-800 broke frame back of cab, lucky it happened at dump site, not on the road. At least once a week here in the Detroit area some good driver flips a dump train or a pup. I do not like to over load mine or anyone's trucks if I can help it.

That truck is over loaded, even if a quad can gross 120k there. Good way to kill someone driving a truck over loaded like that.

What ever there doing in St. Louis does not look safe or very smart to me.

A lot of fake ads back then, that was fake. I remember that ad very well, a lot not shown how they did that. But really I think a Ford was pulling the Chevy.

I think no brand has a high American content any more. Parts assembled in America are full of foreign parts. We are starting a road job near the Daimler Detroit plant ( old Detroit Diesel), the large amount of loaded container traffic in there tells me what Detroit engines are made of. I have little use for Daimler or Volvo for that matter. But Daimler should be building most if not all the trucks they sell in the US, in the US, they have the sales to make that happen.

Road Grader pushing. Cat?

Name me one class 8 truck built in the US without "global components".

I agree with you on Volvo and the 25% tax. But at least Volvo's are made in the US, I will give them that much. A old White Motor truck is not a Autocar because someone put a Autocar logo on it, is the same is it not about logos. My real point is all Mack (Volvo) trucks are made in the USA. Daimler, Paccar and Navistar can not say that.

At least Mack Trucks are still made in the USA. There is no good reason that Daimler builds those trucks in Mexico to sell in the US. None.

The end of FCA may be near.

Kscarbel they are cutting jobs to invest in this?

The rates paid in the US will not pay for features you have as standard.

Paul you think trucks are cheap in the US or are you guys being ripped off?

Big market for $450,000 Mack trucks here in the US and you wonder why Australian Macks are not sold here.

Fisher Body was a GM division that ran GM stamping plants, Body by Fisher. GM used to build most of there own parts with there own parts plants, like AC Sparkplug, there were many parts divisions. Delco and Guide (lights) come to mind. GM was built from companies like Fisher Body.

Red Horse I think Roadway is right Ford at that time was not rational in the things they did. HN80 was a good idea, but not well done. But I do think Ford made money on heavy trucks, the car side of Ford did not like heavy trucks. The L series cab was designed to be a heavy truck and was well built to the end. With upgrades it would still sell in 2019. Ford could sell just a LT 8000 and LTS 8000 today and do well. HN80 cab was too much like a car and not well built. It is a long time ago but I think Ford owned the baby 8 market in the 1980's and 1990's. The Mack DM 600 was a great truck but a LTS 8000 would do the same job and hold up for a lot less money. Ford Heavy trucks made money for the truck owner that is what counts. The heavy truck side of Ford may of understood there market, but the fools running Ford ( Bill Ford too ) did not.

Roadway is right about L and HN80 tooling I think Ford sold them everything. Freightliner Dealers have Ford heavy truck parts, what is left is few, the right dealer will try to order them. Daimler wanted to kill Ford heavy trucks off and did not make any more parts. I hear same thing about Sterling parts now. That did not make any money on "old L series trucks" is a BS story the clowns running Ford in 1997 used to sell off Ford Heavy Truck. All the fools running Ford in 1997 are too blame for that dumb sale and the HN80 issues that year. Ford could have built 1999 Super Duty some where else, they had under used plants. If the L series was such poor truck why are there so many still on the road today. The HN80 had issues from the start, I knew two truckers that had some of the first 9500 MI specials (tractors, 8 axle dump trains) they had a lot of issues. One told me back then he could not understand how Ford could build a great truck (LTL 9000) and then build the 1997 Louisville 9500, junk. I remember thinking that new Ford 9500 was a great looking truck, till I heard that. This is what I am saying about Autocar today, they can talk all they want , but make it right before they sell it. I do not drink cool aid sold by any truck maker, buyer beware of any truck sold today.

We will build you a truck if you order 50-100 of the same type and prepay. After you own it, we will help you with issues and there will be many. Do they have more than one running truck now? Do they have test mules running 24 hours a day? Have they tested the cab and know that the doors will not fall off 5-10 years from now? Will it catch on fire next year? A lot can go wrong here. I saw Ford HN80 test mules starting in late 1994. The dash had issues in 1997 when they went on sale and still in 2009 when Sterling quit.

I hope they build a better conventional than cabover. Refuse trucker told me he had Autocar cabover, it did not hold up like his Mack's. By the way I have seen lot of WM Pete cabovers under the hook the last few weeks.

B model was a good truck, but if you could build a 2019 Mack truck to 1955 or 1966 emission systems (none) you would have a very dependable truck. The E7 would still be around, none better.