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The F-600 is in a good size range. A F-600 Super cab or crew cab with a 7.3 gas is what most landscapers who pull a 5 ton trailer need. The E series may be old but it is a good truck. Ford may never build a cabover here but a E-600 or T-600 (Transit cab) with a 7.3 gas would sell. I wonder if Ford is looking at a T-450-550 or even T-600 to replace the E series. Larger Transit models will show up someday here, just because they do not build it in Europe does not mean it would not work here. Trucks in the "baby 6" range will sell in the coming years I think.

Kscarbel you are right. I still say Ford should build a real medium duty truck cab (larger, higher and tilt hood) for F-550-650. Class 5-6 are becoming more the same size truck. A F-450 is what a F-350 was 20 years ago. A heavy class 7 truck and a true baby 8 truck are more alike now. A F-750 is not a good class 7 truck today. Ford should build a Cargo C-550-650 (7.3 and 6.7), it would sell, they have the dealers to do it. Mack if they are going to get a medium duty truck it would seem that a true baby 8 and heavy class 7 conventional truck is what they need and could sell. The RVI range D would be a small market here I think. But in Europe a Range D is in that size truck class. I wonder if the future for Mack will be in the day cab municipal, vocational straight truck and day cab tractor market only. They would need lighter frame and 7-9L engine to do some of this. This what I think and why Volvo will never sell Mack.

Volvo has no reason to sell Mack. Get over it.

Kscarbel you are right about the size of the market, but a good truck might sell. But what bbigrig says it is not a cabover. I have always thought that a Mack conventional class 7 truck would sell. Maybe they are going to do both? After watching the Range D video, I still think it is a good truck. Everyday is a new day, maybe somebody at Mack is pushing some new ideas?

Never drove one, never owned one, but it seems that at one time Mack dealers sold a lot of cabover medium duty trucks, built by RVI. They were a good truck, you said so yourself Kscarbel. So maybe some Mack dealers finally got Volvo to think about bringing back a RVI medium duty cab over truck. For sure it is a small market, but if it is the Model D, who knows. RVI builds a good truck. Maybe if Barry is watching these posts he could add something from a dealer standpoint.

I do not know any thing about RVI trucks, but if it is the RVI D model it looks to me like it would be as good as any cabover medium duty truck sold here in the US now.

I am no fan of Volvo but if it is a RVI based truck why would it be so bad?

Volvo excavator.

May be someone who owns a Cascadia will post here how good they are and if they have any issues. Since Daimler sells so many trucks they must be the best built on the road and last forever.

How many of these sales are to fleets that lease trucks for 3-5 years, then start over? How good a truck do you have to build to last 5 years? Build cheap, sell cheap, lease cheap.

I guess that I do not look at a 1954 F-800 or T-800 as a class 8 truck, but they were.

Kscarbel there may be, that person just does not fit the PC world that the Leaders of Ford and GM live in today.

Kscarbel not to change topic, but in 1964 Ford was #4 in class 7-8 trucks from above? Ford did not have any real class 8 truck line till about 1959? I remember seeing a lot Ford T and N models. Redhorse I think maybe you know lot about this? Kscarbel when you have time could you start something on Ford heavy trucks back in 1960 or so.

I think Ford needs someone like Lee Iacocca, who I think saved Chrysler in 1980. They need someone who knows how to build cars and how to sell them today. Massive changes? I wonder if Jim Hackett rode his scooter to the glass house today, it snowed last night in SE MI.

The dealer locator is interesting. So existing truck dealers, not just Ford dealers sell these trucks?

The Dodge heavy trucks were C model gas, CN diesel, T tandem as I recall.

Kscarbel do they have Ford Truck dealers there?

Everyone has good and bad luck with pickups. I had a 1988 F-250 7.3. I drove it when new, was in my business ( highway construction) use till last year, 350,000 mi, all original. Cab rusted out, it was still running. These posts were about Dodge heavy trucks, I think Dodge built a ok truck, but they did not seem to last like old Mack's.

Kscarbel and Roadway both of you have posted a lot of good information on Dodge Trucks from long time ago. Chrysler had a lot of issues then. Maybe if they had bought Mack, they would have dropped the heavy Dodge trucks? But may be Mack might not lasted under Chrysler? It would seem that Dodge pickups, vans, Dodge medium duty trucks and Mack heavy trucks would have been a good line of trucks. I will say this I had a new 1974 D-100 pickup, first new truck I owned, after that all Ford pickups.

Meanwhile at Ford how do ride your scooter around all the s*** on the streets of San Francisco?

Kscarbel last week at the GM Tech Center there were mass layoffs of engineers. Mary Barra is in a race to the bottom. I wonder if she rides a bike to the Ren Cen, downtown Detroit GM HQ? A lot of people are out of work because of these dumb ideas.

Roadway I never could never under stand why they dropped the medium duty trucks. The Sherwood plant stayed open building some CNT-800 trucks ( Air Force tanker) and kits for South America. Maybe it was to small? Recall seeing a D-700 dump with a diesel, never knew that they built any diesel medium trucks. Chrysler started having a lot of issues in the mid 1970's.

The blue Bighorn 900 is one of two built, never was on the road. Chrysler Transport had a large fleet of C-800 (gas) single axle tractors and some CNT-900 tandem tractors. I recall that in 1978 they started running GMC, White and some Mack single axle diesel tractors, The C-800 trucks were gone as I recall by 1980-1981.There may have been some Dodge trucks in off road use in plants and such. After the first bailout (1980?), they had a almost all White fleet of tandem tractors. I cannot remember, but I think they had some Volvos before and after Daimler. I think around 2011? they got around 300 Mack tandem tractors. Weigand Mack in Sterling Hts. was the dealer (M&K now), I never saw so many new Mack's that were the same at one place at there lot then. FCA Transport now has Peterbilt's (LNG). Chrysler Transport and FCA Transport ran clean trucks, they were an important part of keeping plants going, they did not live in the past with old Dodge trucks. The drivers were UAW members.

Very well run job. Everything is moving. Scrapers never stop, they are not waiting for pushers.

C and L models were built at Sherwood truck plant in Warren, MI. It was a very small plant, still there, it is a orange juice plant now. Warren Truck ( pickups and vans ), Warren Stamping, Sherwood Truck, Mound Road Engine ( 318 V8 ) and a large parts warehouse were in a very large complex there. Dallas and Mavis had a large yard there. I rode my bike there (1969-72) I could see any kind of Dodge Truck built then, even saw some new Power Wagons, real ones (WM-300) for export. C models, C-800 and CNT-900 were all over SE MI back then. Chrysler made a big push with trucks starting with the 1971 B model van back then I think. You have to wonder if Chrysler could have gained Mack (1964?) back then what would things be like now?