Red Horse

Very good- and Governor Cuomo could honor his friend by granting all sorts of tax incentives and reopening Cortland! Holy shit-just don't hope they build a MRS Barrack Way!

First order of business is to pay off the EPA, then bring back 237, DM's and once again Mack will own vocational market. Yeah probably would not hurt to bring back R and U Actually a better thought. Paying off EPA just MIGHT get someone in trouble. Better plan would be same strategy as when you get caught violating an environmental rule-like filling a wet land. You have to replicate or make an improvement someplace else. SOOO- you donate to the Obama Library fund-done deal.

Relax-just make sure you bring your long wig!

Great- and we all enjoy your well done pictures!

Well actually we were down from prior year in terms of vehicles. And show years ago was not in middle of summer. We had a lot of guys (contractors) who were just too out straight and needed a "day off"- not to say that can't happen in October as well- and while a lot of people bitched about the heat- they might be bitching about the "cold" in October! No- Mackfest is Sept. and Gerharts is early Oct. Plus our feeling is we are a regional show and don't compete. How many of the trucks that you see at our show do you see traveling to PA? Thx-we shall see.

Thx- like I said, has to be a typo -unless a sq. meter is something other than 10.76 sq. ft!

I DO BELIEVE R's were built in Winnsboro-with horrible results initially.

Higgins--were they from Buffalo?

Well b61, I would say you hit the nail on the head-...in particular.."what you grew up with". and when I started this thread I mentioned, no second and third hand info! I think that today between Ford, GM and Dodge/Ram/Mopar/FCA they all build a good product. when it comes to Power Strokes, it always seems to come back to 6.0 horror stories then again buddy of mine had one that he put almost 100,000 on with no trouble-admittedly-easy miles. I've also heard of plenty of guys that had good luck with them in heavy commercial service. Other side of the coin, local good sized towing outfit had nothing but issues-drove him to Hino for his ramp trucks. Actually I should follow up on that as we are talking when 6.0 first came out. My biggest question/concern is just how will the new 6.7 hold up in a medium duty-in particular as you can get one in a 750 with a 37,000 lb GVW. A far cry from what it was (I think) originally designed for. PS-ckeck out KSC's post on new retrofit for 6.0/6.4 turbo upgrade kit. Good news, but how many years did it take them to come up with that??

Well I think beheading is a little strong but I would not mind seeing him jumping out of the back of an E-350 van with flashing yellow lights on the roof and wearing a yellow jump suit preparing to pick up litter along I-95. But I have been thinking about all the attention to global warming while we do NOTHING to strong arm the big polluters like China and India. We shut down our coal and oil burning power plants, cripple our foundry industry (as an example) and then look the other way when it comes to these third world shit holes. And all the nonsense on electrification of cars and trucks- and what generates the juice to charge the batteries?

Is that a Jerr Dan? Went by Jerr Dan dealer in Lancaster MA other day and looked like there was a dark (black or blue) Ford along side building-thought it might be your friends. Local U-haul yard just got a coupe of 650's in.

Hmnn- 4 million sq meters?? Big typo there-that would be over 40 MILLION sq ft.

Any clue as to "world components" or are these truly "made in China" vehicles?

ATCA New England Chapter is moving our show from August to Oct. 16th. We are gambling that risk of rain/cold beats oppressive heat! check the ATHS and ATCA calendars to avoid conflicts with your dates

And thx for posting the interesting shot-always nice when you have some family history to go along with it. One of the first "big trucks" I drove was a Ford NT-950. 250 Cummins, Rt-910 RR- spokes etc. This was late 60's and for its time it was a comfortable, and quiet-at least for its time. (had the "high roof" so it was 66 or later). Felt sorry though for anyone who had to work on the motor!

For the record, truck is an N series not an F. In any case, cool Ford with probably a Marmon-Herrington front axle.

I do believe you have a winner!

Congratulations. shows you what can be done without input from EPA, OSHA, FTC etc

Jim, Sounds good. the 650/V-10 gasser makes a lot of sense for those that don't run big miles on an annual basis. Unless you run the miles, and/or you are always at the max of your GVW, gas makes sense and at this point I do believe Ford is the only player in class 6 (and 7 for that matter) with a gas option. I would bet your friend has about 10 grand more in the bank from his upfront cost that he can use to subsidize his increased fuel cost.

Thx guys for responses. when you read these collectively, you understand why I ask the question. There seem to be significant inconsistencies. And I do believe what are often reported as 6.7 problems, are in fact "stories" that go back to the 6.0, 6.4 fiasco. In any case, most of the experiences reported in this thread involve 550's on the high end. I t will be interesting to see just how this thing does in 750 at 33,000 gvw-to say nothing of 37,000 and at continuous use at those ratings.

No more questions to Blackdog please. He is in witness protection program!

- hear you on the trailer brakes. Sounds like your outfit is good proving ground for 550 with that kind of utilization. I think given the choice, I would opt for a 650 crew vs the 550. How often do you really need the 4 x 4 feature

thx for response. No doubt they do a good job in the low weight ranges. I'm really interested in how they are holding up in 450/550 at the higher end-19,500 gvw.

thx for responses. TJC 30 units @ 150k is a pretty good sample! As an aside, I guess it doesn't matter- class 3-5 or class 8, the emissions crap is a PITA!

Any opinions out there on the 6.7 Ford Power Stroke? AGAIN- I'm talking about the 6.7-which has been out now 3 or 4 model years- not the 6.0 or 6.4's which have a ton of baggage and led to the Navistar/Ford "divorce". And please-no comments about .." I know a guy whose cousin's brother in law had one and it blew at...blah-blah". Factual experience please. Good -bad, good fuel economy, bad fuel economy etc. This engine is now offered by Ford in the 2016 F-650/750 at up to 37,000 lb GVW. They also have a 250,000 mile warranty on it in those applications so talk about putting it on the table! Local oil heat dealer with a predominant International fleet (and one F'liner F2) just bought a new Hino. Ford in the day OWNED the home heating oil market (2,800 gal, 33,000 lb GVW) in the NoEast between the old C model and the Louisville but its a new ball game today. This new truck should get some of that business back but I think the old Power Stroke "baggage" is not helping them. Again any "experienced opinions? And I recognize we are talking about F-250-550 but if the engine isn't cutting it in those applications-in particular 550 at 19,500 lbs, how is it going to fair in class 6/7 or even "baby 8 " at 37,000 lb?