Red Horse

KS-but were they not also skating by on "credits" that they had? or am I confusing them with Cat?

Guys-I'm sure you are right-I'm just trying to get blood out of a stone!

Guys one other test i did. Had the wife hit the starter and my volts on Batteries dropped to around 4.

Well in the dead of winter I tried to start the B model-not even a grunt. Truck is 12 v, 4 @ 1200 CCA. But they are 10 years old! everyone tells me I'm kidding myself. In any case I took two of them out and charged them about 6 hrs-getting 12.2 v reading. The two on the other side were reading around 12.18 so I took a shot, brought the Ranger in the barn and hooked it up to that side. No luck- Headlights are bright, internal buzzer and low air red light bright but no turnover-just a "grunt". I have had intermittent problems in past with the starter not engaging but before I screw around with that opinions if I in fact 4 12 V at a little over 12 V are not enough? Seems tome 4800 CCA's even at 12V should be more than enough but I guess not? Or I'm back to starter issue.??

Hah- only a few! Thx for info- I don't even remember what the connection was that your name came up but it did have something to do with 360's or 361's that had big power-12v-71 or that big OHC Cat.

Mike- Same spoke-so on my rear I would have a 3 piece with a two piece... By the way-you must be psychic because I was down at my pal's shop in Lancaster an hour ago where Dave M keeps his Binder and his Brockway and we were talking about 360's, 361's and long nose versions to accommodate 12V-71's and your name came up!

Guys, Any reason why you can not mix 8 x 24 two piece with 8 x 24 three piece? I'm sure the answer is "no" but as always.."the devil is in the details"

KS- I do believe you said the magic words.."long term success". And as 41 Chev and H'gunner point out, we all know wht happens when the subsidies get yanked and the business model has to stand on its own two feet. OR when Paccar, International or even Ford decide propane has good volume numbers. Another Carbon Motors in the making.

B-Dog Thx for explanation on the HS grants. I wrote quite a few successful grants for use as intended and also had some very valid ones rejected-really pissed me off when the town got that truck-never heard of the Assistance to fFrefighter grants I hear you on intended use and agree-I believe we have enough "front line" capabiity and the mini would provide a good compliment to the existing fleet. I wonder if the Boston decision was a "low bid" or disatisfaction with the Navistars-the easrlier Navistsars were 4300's I think that had DT-466's but I think the later ones were Durastars with the International built "Power Stroke" . Of course the new Fords-assuming diesels will be the Ford built 6.7 Power Stroke. I'll see if I can get a picture of the R model.

Has anyone had any difficulty downloading any of KSC's videos? I can't get the Ford Cargo or the DD 5 to print.

Hah-"penis envy"-hit the nail on the head-ouch! I'm at a pals shop a while back and the paid guy comes in with towns F-350 power stroke ambulance leaking coolant. We at the time had a new 450 Power Stroke due to be delivered. I asked him what was going to become of the old truck when the new one arrived and he said .."included in the new one as a trade-stupid we should have kept it as a back uP'. I said.."well as a taxpayer I think that was the right move". He says.."you wouldn't feel that way if the new one went down and you had a heart attack". I said..."wrong- I would take my chances on mutual aid showing up at my house in their new 450 rather than relying on this "back up" that would be kept in an unheated building with the mice eating all the wiring on it". He walked away-no clue .

No argument on taking the place of a "real" engine. But in a town of 4000, we have two fairly new front line pumpers, A F'Liner tanker that we got new under a Homeland Security Grant-happy to get it as a taxpayer-just tell me the justification for getting under such a grant, a very clean R-600 pumper-old but reliable and the S-1600 I mentioned. To me the mini-pumper would make sense as a rapid response unit for car fires, brush fires etc.-againI'm not a fire fighter-but I did spend 44 years in a haz mat business and went to enough fire schools to know what you can do with a 20 lb. BC Ansul as well as a fog nozzle. What do most mini's carry? at least 200 gals of water? By the way, in terms of mutual aid we have all kinds of engines in neighboring towns that are like 5 miles from any section of town. We also have only two or three light commercial businesses. We do have a heavily traveled interstate that goes through town. As for staffing, we have one paid guy on duty, basically mon-fri, 8-4. Other than that a call department.

Well now that you mention Spartan I think one of the guys mentioned "Rosenbauer on a Spartan Chassis"-is that possible??-but you are making my point. These guys think they are getting an Oshkosh! Last year we had 130" of snow-this year easy winter-I think 40-but in anycase, I would bet money on a chain equipped 11:00R x 24.5 equipped with chains. vs one of these things with little rubber-which to me translates into less ground clearance. Then again as a taxpayer I would rather have seen my money go toward an F-550 4 x 4 mini-pumper. I know some of you "pro's" have made negative comments about mini-pumpers but they do seem to sell well. We also have an older DT-466 powered International S-1800 4 x 4. That should have sufficed for the rare need when 4 x 4 was needed. I've lived in this town for 26 years and never heard of once instance where the lack of four wheel drive led to a property loss.

Who would you believe is the brother in law of Arturo Allisoni who heads up Iveco's transmission unit

Well I learned my town has a new Rosenbauer on order- 4wd. Its not on a commercial chassis but I'm told its a typical pumper cab. All the pix I've ever seen of 4 wd pumpers on typical pumpers have very small diameter rubber-at least they look that way. we have a lot of gravel common drives and my concern is this small rubber is a formula for trouble. can just see this thing getting hung up on 12 " of heavy snow with the wheels spinning. Any thoughts from you fire pros?

And at 150 CF, assume 4" diameter that comes out to 13 pounds of concrete per foot. Plus all that tube, hydraulics etc I just hope it has some pretty wide outriggers!

Saw a post on another site that Alkane will soon add a class 8 cab over to their US "production". Can't see how this company can make a go of it. Establishing a US factory, dealer organization, importing Chinese cabs, using US components and doing all this under the premise that alternative fuels (CNG -LPG- LNG) are the cornerstone of their business. Any opinions? for sure KSC-what does your crystal ball say?

Large paving outfit in this area bought a bunch-not sure of the brand but they bit the bullet and took them off. Again-what works for "casual " use versus front line "to the max" GVW are two different things.

Like 600+ for Bridgestones???

Barry- great- adds a huge dimension to the site-or should I say CONTINUES a great dimension.

D-027- about the pumps? Yep- pull a 4" discharge hose off one of two meters , hook it up to one of two direct 4" discharge lines, crouch down and hook up to 4" pump suction line that was snaked over rear axles to rear crossmember. then 3" discharge lines that "t'd off pump to street and curb side of tractor. We did a lot of "transport" work to small jobber accounts that did not own their own transports. And a "big tank" back in the days of 73,280 max GCW was 7600 gallons! Today in the 80,000 lb states most tanks are 9000 if not 9100 or 9200. And of course no meters.

Hah! that guy chewing the cigar was Al Silva- I'm sure Al is now dispatching loads and pulling meter tickets in a better place! And I remember the Amos Post tanks-didn't the "A" form like a drill derrick?? Boy have things changed- when I was there we had 102 people-that included about 10 people in satelites at Fort Edward, Schnectady, and Whitehall. we had everything gas, diesel, No 2 heat, kero- Av gas, No 6, couple of asphalt grades , transformer oil-yes the stuff that is costing GE millions today to clean up- as well as lubes. But Albany was Socony land-remember the big 4 story brick building that is now Exit 23 truck stop property? Years ago that was Mobil's central repair shop for NY State and Vermont. " In the day" I don't know how many mechanics worked there but the mens room had about 20 toilets!. Paint booth was on I think 2nd floor and elevator could take trucks to roof. In the summer they would rebuild fuel oil trucks and in winter they would rebuild road oilers! By the time I got there it was dead storage for the lube plant production-building that was next door. As far as cut bumpers-yes in mid 70's we started cutting the bumpers-with the "hazard stripes" on them.

Thx for the compliment. I was the terminal manager there from late 70-until 74. Had two LT-9000's with 8V-71's. One of them had those round Donaldson "banjo" mufflers that sat below the frame-guys in the shop said they had to take the stock vertical mufflers off to fit a 3" Blackmer pump and the discharge piping.. If you liked screaming Detroits you would have loved that Ford! I left that job and became the division "motor vehicle supervisor" as the job was called. Staff job - I bought Fords and Macks while I was in that job. Great bunch of guys in Albany-at this point in my life you remember the good ones!

Barry-what are we missing here? this is a great site-but what is the story- at some point in time does being a "prolific" poster put us all in jeopardy? I doubt I will ever be at that point but in any case-I will demonstrate my computer ignorance-can we "share" our file space to allow KSC to continue his news threads?