Red Horse

No argument on taking the place of a "real" engine. But in a town of 4000, we have two fairly new front line pumpers, A F'Liner tanker that we got new under a Homeland Security Grant-happy to get it as a taxpayer-just tell me the justification for getting under such a grant, a very clean R-600 pumper-old but reliable and the S-1600 I mentioned. To me the mini-pumper would make sense as a rapid response unit for car fires, brush fires etc.-againI'm not a fire fighter-but I did spend 44 years in a haz mat business and went to enough fire schools to know what you can do with a 20 lb. BC Ansul as well as a fog nozzle. What do most mini's carry? at least 200 gals of water? By the way, in terms of mutual aid we have all kinds of engines in neighboring towns that are like 5 miles from any section of town. We also have only two or three light commercial businesses. We do have a heavily traveled interstate that goes through town. As for staffing, we have one paid guy on duty, basically mon-fri, 8-4. Other than that a call department.

Well now that you mention Spartan I think one of the guys mentioned "Rosenbauer on a Spartan Chassis"-is that possible??-but you are making my point. These guys think they are getting an Oshkosh! Last year we had 130" of snow-this year easy winter-I think 40-but in anycase, I would bet money on a chain equipped 11:00R x 24.5 equipped with chains. vs one of these things with little rubber-which to me translates into less ground clearance. Then again as a taxpayer I would rather have seen my money go toward an F-550 4 x 4 mini-pumper. I know some of you "pro's" have made negative comments about mini-pumpers but they do seem to sell well. We also have an older DT-466 powered International S-1800 4 x 4. That should have sufficed for the rare need when 4 x 4 was needed. I've lived in this town for 26 years and never heard of once instance where the lack of four wheel drive led to a property loss.

Who would you believe is the brother in law of Arturo Allisoni who heads up Iveco's transmission unit

Well I learned my town has a new Rosenbauer on order- 4wd. Its not on a commercial chassis but I'm told its a typical pumper cab. All the pix I've ever seen of 4 wd pumpers on typical pumpers have very small diameter rubber-at least they look that way. we have a lot of gravel common drives and my concern is this small rubber is a formula for trouble. can just see this thing getting hung up on 12 " of heavy snow with the wheels spinning. Any thoughts from you fire pros?

And at 150 CF, assume 4" diameter that comes out to 13 pounds of concrete per foot. Plus all that tube, hydraulics etc I just hope it has some pretty wide outriggers!

Saw a post on another site that Alkane will soon add a class 8 cab over to their US "production". Can't see how this company can make a go of it. Establishing a US factory, dealer organization, importing Chinese cabs, using US components and doing all this under the premise that alternative fuels (CNG -LPG- LNG) are the cornerstone of their business. Any opinions? for sure KSC-what does your crystal ball say?

Large paving outfit in this area bought a bunch-not sure of the brand but they bit the bullet and took them off. Again-what works for "casual " use versus front line "to the max" GVW are two different things.

Like 600+ for Bridgestones???

Barry- great- adds a huge dimension to the site-or should I say CONTINUES a great dimension.

D-027- about the pumps? Yep- pull a 4" discharge hose off one of two meters , hook it up to one of two direct 4" discharge lines, crouch down and hook up to 4" pump suction line that was snaked over rear axles to rear crossmember. then 3" discharge lines that "t'd off pump to street and curb side of tractor. We did a lot of "transport" work to small jobber accounts that did not own their own transports. And a "big tank" back in the days of 73,280 max GCW was 7600 gallons! Today in the 80,000 lb states most tanks are 9000 if not 9100 or 9200. And of course no meters.

Hah! that guy chewing the cigar was Al Silva- I'm sure Al is now dispatching loads and pulling meter tickets in a better place! And I remember the Amos Post tanks-didn't the "A" form like a drill derrick?? Boy have things changed- when I was there we had 102 people-that included about 10 people in satelites at Fort Edward, Schnectady, and Whitehall. we had everything gas, diesel, No 2 heat, kero- Av gas, No 6, couple of asphalt grades , transformer oil-yes the stuff that is costing GE millions today to clean up- as well as lubes. But Albany was Socony land-remember the big 4 story brick building that is now Exit 23 truck stop property? Years ago that was Mobil's central repair shop for NY State and Vermont. " In the day" I don't know how many mechanics worked there but the mens room had about 20 toilets!. Paint booth was on I think 2nd floor and elevator could take trucks to roof. In the summer they would rebuild fuel oil trucks and in winter they would rebuild road oilers! By the time I got there it was dead storage for the lube plant production-building that was next door. As far as cut bumpers-yes in mid 70's we started cutting the bumpers-with the "hazard stripes" on them.

Thx for the compliment. I was the terminal manager there from late 70-until 74. Had two LT-9000's with 8V-71's. One of them had those round Donaldson "banjo" mufflers that sat below the frame-guys in the shop said they had to take the stock vertical mufflers off to fit a 3" Blackmer pump and the discharge piping.. If you liked screaming Detroits you would have loved that Ford! I left that job and became the division "motor vehicle supervisor" as the job was called. Staff job - I bought Fords and Macks while I was in that job. Great bunch of guys in Albany-at this point in my life you remember the good ones!

Barry-what are we missing here? this is a great site-but what is the story- at some point in time does being a "prolific" poster put us all in jeopardy? I doubt I will ever be at that point but in any case-I will demonstrate my computer ignorance-can we "share" our file space to allow KSC to continue his news threads?

For sure!

Jim posted great pix of the extension Here are a coupe of shots of mine. The hooks came off a B that was sitting in the woods. No torches but I had the generator on the pick up and bolts were absolutely frozen. took a coiuple of Sawzall blades then I had to drill them out and eventually drive them out. The flat panel -as well as the bumper and the angled supports for the grill guard came from Doug Fetterly-

Excellent thought!

Swishy-Mrs MP--good thoughts-but it would seem to me if this doesn't work, Barry should be able to get this corrected. I for one go to this thread first thing. I value everyone's opinion on this site-but KSC gives us good factual NEWS that if nothing else fosters a lot of discussion on the part of us "civilians" How about it Barry-what does it take to keep this feature going??

Did not catch that- good comment -that is the kind of stuff he has to do versus bashing his opposition within. As for Obummer, same bullshit as him not going to Scalia's funeral!

For sure- this is what bothers me- I'm as pissed as anyone about the current state of affairs-but like I said in a previous post- he is not going to win by getting the vote of us pissed off white guys! Guess what! we are now a minority! I suppose the fact that he can change his position is good when it is obvious he does not know what the fugg he is talking about- the fact that he mouths off when he DOESNT have the facts is not good- you can't do that on the world stage-and maintain credibility as I see it. Let's see how things go this week. We have got to get out of this high school name calling though- the quicker the better-we give the likes of Bill Mahar too much ammo!

Well I guess now that Trump has reversed his stance on this, I guess it is no longer an issue??

Here is a shot of "66/67 4564 I drove in like 67/68 in Geneva, NY. Not me in the shot- Second shot is the same White sometime in 1970. I was the Terminal mgr in Rochester then and Geneva was a satelite terminal I was responsible for. Same driver in first picture (Dick Nielsen) was headed out with 7600 of gas and some guy comes bouncing over a RR crossing in an International straight job with an ice cream reefer box. Truck I guess had "loose tie rods"- going too fast on tracks, looses it and hits the White head on. Guy in binder gets thrown out (minor injuries!) but Dick had to pound out rear windo to get out as doors were jammed shut! In any case 4564, NH-250, RT-910, Velvet Ride. a good fleet truck IMO in its day. Not as good though as the R 237's which by 1970 were our typical 3 axle tractor. And that was more of a case of the 237 being a better motor than the NH-250.

Guys- Thx for responses.- Agree KSC adds a high level of professionalism to this site.. As for "upload limits"-aren't these limits "yesterday's newspaper"?? If that is the case, can't additional space be created by deleting older posts? How about it Barry? I for one would rather lose "ancient history" rather than be denied the latest industry topic-which we will NOT get through the usual filtered trade press-and again, now that I'm retired I am yesterday's newspaper-ugh- no address at a corporate site, no more subscription! I f I don't pick it up on Seeking Alpha, this site has been a good source with KSC's industry news.

Jim, Robert-thx for responses. I have one decent ring but I can't find any stamping on it. As for the Accuride data sheet, is the "3 piece 5 degree-VE Tpye Radial Commander Rim" what we would have had on our 50's/60's vintage 24" spokes??