Bullheaded

I have to laugh at all the people that say they got what they deserved. You are all too short sighted to see they were doing us all a favor with better fuel efficiency and reliability. Same as Detroit Diesel was doing with the 60 Series when they got caught and all this emissions bullshit hit high gear.

Is it true? Can this be the best day ever? Was in the news Trump put a stop to the EPA. Not going to get political.......I'm just excited by the hope that once again we can have engines that don't bankrupt us. And no DPF mufflers on my lawn mower. Now all I want to see is the headline: Cat brings back the C15!! LOL. Hopefully he repeals all the fines and charges against VW and Fiat too.

Kinda like how they bought one of the best motor grader companies in the world (Champion), then claimed stuff like the class leading transmission was THEIR design, then they pulled the plug on them last year and sent production to a Chinese company. Meanwhile every city and rural township around here had Volvo graders and they just left them all hanging.

I would have never thought it was true. I guess ya'll are right. Volvo/Mack doesn't care about selling big trucks. Now I'm glad I changed brands after they killed the E9 and CL.

Sad part is almost every dealer I just tried to spec a Granite at tried their best to talk me out of Mack trans, rears and rear suspension.

Thanks for starting the thread on them. Brought back memories. if you search you will find a lot more info here. And also on the big Mack CL350ST's. http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/forumdisplay.php?91-Forestry-Equipment&s=47baa4ea3fb4b383aecc4406cc672248

You're welcome. They were a really impressive design.

John sent me these in 1995.

I've spoke to John back then a few times. Very nice person. It's too bad things didn't work out better for him with more sales. Next time I dig into my collection I'll post the pics John sent me of the dump trucks right after they were built.

It could come down to our dealers too Mackpro, as my area seems to have the worst anywhere I have ever dealt. But my area sources parts from the Cummins distribution centres in Thunder Bay, Mississaugua and Montreal and they all seem to always have stuff on back order. And I still can't figure out why Cummins emission equipment replacement prices are SO much more than Detroit. Everyone has products that fail, but you know how that goes.....when you keep getting stung it's hard to put your faith back in them again. At some point you try to stop the bleeding.

I wouldn't touch anything with a Cummins unless that new one far more reliable than the current ISX. My buddies MP10's will walk all over tuned ISX600's. And every time ours goes down, Cummins has no parts and everything is on back order. And just had to replace the SCR catalyst. $6800. Yet I can get the SCR and DPF for my Detroit for $1600 for both???? Won't be any more red in our yard.

What are you all complaining about. Pretty soon you won't be driving at all. They will all be autonomous. I don't care what they do with new trucks, because they aren't trucks to me anymore anyway. They are ALL JUNK. That's why you should keep enjoying the old Mack's. They were the last of the real trucks and you will never have them back. Ever.

Yes, they were a very well built truck made for logging and mining. There were two dump trucks built, the rest all loggers. But unfortunately they came to the game right at the end of the big fat trucks being used for BC logging. So the company was sold. They could be had with any engine, but they loved the power to fuel efficiency of the Mack V8. The power train was also sub frame mounted and slid right out. Was a really good design.

Can't answer your question, but I have driven many mid to late 80 R Models with Mack 12 speeds behind the E6. So yes, it was done.

After seeing these numbers I'm wondering how I ever pulled 140,000 pounds up and down constant 8,10 and 12% hills here for all those years, with my little E6 350. We even did a test on a 300 mile trip. And the E6 350 took less than 30 minutes more compared to a C15 475/1850. This one is an 88, 4 valve and the odo has rolled over zero twice.

DD Detroit doesn't have the grunt? Yours must be sick because mine is the closest thing you can get to a C15 Cat power wise.....and I also have an ISX600. The DD16 600 2050 torque pulls like crazy. And so does the MP10 605. I never did understand the issue of putting a bunk on the Titan. And how they talk about having to "engineer" it. Local dealer around here have put all kinds of Pinnacle 60 in mid rise bunks on Titans. They just get the subframe and air ride for the Pinnacle and bolt it all in.

What's even sadder is Titan or not, Mack is already no competition in the severe service market. http://www.westernstartrucks.com/Trucks/XD/

Still I've yet to see any official announcement of anything getting dropped. I've only seen the same press releases that Kscarbel2 has posted.

Wow, funny how they parked all of those in the exact same spot for pictures? Those marketing guys are good.

Now I know the real reason why the Titan, MP10 and D16 are being discontinued. Another "expert" on another internet forum is now saying Volvo bought Paccar. So I guess they are dropping these models to pay for Paccar. Bahahahahahaha.

And Consumer Report's just dropped them from the top spot on their list and named the F-150, Focus and Fiesta the most unreliable vehicles in their classes.

But I'd still rather have this one back.

I know I'm going to miss them. I like this one.

I don't know? Someone from southern Ontario said he saw the one with the walking floor?

An insider friend of mine just sent me these pics. Sorry about the small images, they were taken on his cell phone and he must have the settings low. He said a heavy haul fleet in British Columbia, Canada is testing this black one. Could be the new replacement model. It has the new Volvo/Mack global cab. Said the cab is testing well and is liked by the test drivers.. No mention of engine though. And just like how International used the code name "Project Silverback" when designing and testing the new Paystar replacement, which we now know as the HX, this one is using the name "Voltan" There is also a very popular bulk hauler fleet in southern Ontario that currently has the other one for evaluation. That's all he could tell me.