Brandt Posted Sunday at 03:48 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:48 PM Not sure where to put this, so I'll try here. I bought an old trailer several years ago and the tires are in need of changing. While removing the inner lugs; 2 of the square ends sheared off. Pipe wrench is a fail, so what other ways is there to get these off?? I cut down the side of one with an angle grinder, but couldn't get all the way to the rim. I'm thinking that I can't get to the rim with a torch either (w/o doing damage to the rim). This trailer has old skool brakes and would require a lot of work to replace the lug stud, if I just cut the stud off. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted Sunday at 04:07 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:07 PM There is a special tool that is made to get the inner nut off when that happens. It isn't 100% effective, but does work most of the time. https://www.jbtools.com/ken-tool-30165-dual-wheel-lug-stud-remover/?wi=off&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22174825632 you pound it on and then wrench the nut off. Once you have ground down one side, I don't think it will work. just cutting above the rim may not do it. You may have to pull the hub, if inboard drums, and remove the nut in the drum and drive the stud out. If that is what you mean by "old Skool" brakes! I think you may be to the point where you have to decide "what to destroy" to get the rim off, and replace the destroyed parts. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted Sunday at 04:12 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:12 PM you got the outer nuts off which would indicated going right direction of thread ; not tightening inners due to left/right hand . depending on how much you cut with die grinder . which is #1 method for broken removal. two ways which have proven successful :: 1- install the outer nut back on close to wheel and weld it to inner deep socket /impact try removal 2- drill number of small holes in broken inner nut close to rim . then the pipe wrench. another reply just came in ; possible same. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted Sunday at 04:27 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:27 PM being "an old trailer" going with idea these are steel wheels not alum which would have the thinner shank inner nuts. option two of drilling the bevel on inner nut allows for penetrating oil to soak threads/nuts , also weakens the inner nut. after drilling inner bevel . a few smacks with BF hammer at broken end helps loosen situation on occasion. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mechohaulic Posted Sunday at 04:31 PM Popular Post Share Posted Sunday at 04:31 PM DON'T allow frustration to confuse the brain cells to point you do everything and still the MF nut doesn't move only to find out you were turning it the wrong way !! now who would do that ???😱😱. here I am folks. 1 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted Sunday at 04:33 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:33 PM Lefty tighty,,, righty loosy.. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted Sunday at 04:36 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:36 PM 1 minute ago, Joey Mack said: Lefty tighty,,, righty loosy.. but there are some of US not wrapped to tighty and use the highway arrow signs to know proper direction.🤣 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted Sunday at 04:41 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:41 PM 5 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: Lefty tighty,,, righty loosy.. now I'm confused : does that hold true for budd wheels of older days?? left hand thread is "backwards" thread. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted Sunday at 04:44 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:44 PM I dont know, i assume so. Id like to think the end of the inner lug is stamped, R or L. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Geoff Weeks Posted Sunday at 04:44 PM Popular Post Share Posted Sunday at 04:44 PM Hub pilot are all right hand thread, Stud pilot (what some refer to as "Budd") are right on right and left on left 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Geoff Weeks Posted Sunday at 04:46 PM Popular Post Share Posted Sunday at 04:46 PM I have come across where someone has swapped a hub from side to side, so always a good idea to check first. 5 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry Posted yesterday at 02:23 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:23 AM 9 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said: Hub pilot are all right hand thread, Stud pilot (what some refer to as "Budd") are right on right and left on left 👍 i was taught to always tighten towards the front of truck. terry Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted yesterday at 06:44 AM Share Posted yesterday at 06:44 AM Find a bigger sized nut, slip it over the remainder of the nut shank and really lay into it with the welder It will heat the bahjeebers out of it This will hopefully break everything free then undo If you are worried about the wheel getting damaged, cut some thin tine up to slip over the stud to protect the wheel while welding Might need to use a stick welder to get enough heat transfer, MIG lacks penetration compared to a stick welder Paul 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post h67st Posted yesterday at 01:33 PM Popular Post Share Posted yesterday at 01:33 PM What I've done in the past is cut a slot like he's already done, make sure the thing is soaked thoroughly with penetrant, then air chisel the slot in the removing direction. You can peel a lot of them off that way, and often the rattling and oil will loosen the thing up before you peel it off. If you're careful you won't damage the stud. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted yesterday at 04:51 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 04:51 PM I have the Ken-Tool above on the way. However, this might not work on the one I slotted. That one may require welding a nut to it - good idea that I never would have thought of. I'm an equal opportunity inner lug breaker - I have 1 broken on each side, so 1 RH thread and 1 LH thread. I haven't ran my portable welder in over a year and the shop welder doesn't have 1/4 mile long leads. I'm sure there will be fun and games to get the welder going. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted yesterday at 05:02 PM Share Posted yesterday at 05:02 PM Hammer the Ken-Tool on as far as you can, break loose the inner nut but don't remove it, used some pinch bars to get the Ken tool off. Easier to do when it is still threaded on the hub and the rim is available to pry against. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-579999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted yesterday at 10:36 PM Share Posted yesterday at 10:36 PM On 7/27/2025 at 12:44 PM, Geoff Weeks said: Hub pilot are all right hand thread, Stud pilot (what some refer to as "Budd") are right on right and left on left the dual fasteners became known as Budd inner/ outer nuts since they were used on budd wheels. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-580013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago On 7/27/2025 at 12:46 PM, Geoff Weeks said: I have come across where someone has swapped a hub from side to side, so always a good idea to check first. using left thread /right thread was due to theory inner/outer nuts same right hand thread would loosen on left side going with rotation of wheel. someone swapping wheels to opposite side may create a situation. fortunately I've never had a lug wrong rotation wheel . wasn't my theory just response I was given as to why the left thread. MANY yrs ago. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-580014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joey Mack Posted 23 hours ago Popular Post Share Posted 23 hours ago Yes Mech... When driving forward, the rotation of the wheels kept the lugs tight.. I remember some older Mopars, and my 58 power wagon having left and right hand lug nuts.. Personally,,,, i like it... 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-580018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago On 7/27/2025 at 12:44 PM, Joey Mack said: I dont know, i assume so. Id like to think the end of the inner lug is stamped, R or L. new updated inner nuts ARE stamped L/R Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-580019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joey Mack Posted 23 hours ago Popular Post Share Posted 23 hours ago New to you Mech is 80years ago..🍻😘 1 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-580020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 minute ago, Joey Mack said: Yes Mech... When driving forward, the rotation of the wheels kept the lugs tight.. I remember some older Mopars, and my 58 power wagon having left and right hand lug nuts.. Personally,,,, i like it... the use of "budd wheels"goes back to the '20-30's alll sizes BUT they where single fasteners. the duel fasteners came to be in bigger HD units having inner/outer. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-580021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mechohaulic Posted 23 hours ago Popular Post Share Posted 23 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: New to you Mech is 80years ago..🍻😘 don't tell everyone. at least the covered wagons I drove had single wheels. which were much better then those stone wheels I started my driving lessons with.LOL 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-580022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocky Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 16 hours ago, Joey Mack said: Yes Mech... When driving forward, the rotation of the wheels kept the lugs tight.. I remember some older Mopars, and my 58 power wagon having left and right hand lug nuts.. Personally,,,, i like it... My 1955 Ford F-600 has those left hand threads on the left side.. Quote Brocky Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-580060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago Japanese trucks like Isuzu and Hino have left hand threads on the left Basically, it's very common and the theroy about nuts undoing as Joey and Mech mentioned above is correct as far as I know Paul 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75807-budd-lug-woes/#findComment-580064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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