Budd lug woes

[Brandt]

Not sure where to put this, so I'll try here.

 

I bought an old trailer several years ago and the tires are in need of changing. While removing the inner lugs; 2 of the square ends sheared off. Pipe wrench is a fail, so what other ways is there to get these off?? I cut down the side of one with an angle grinder, but couldn't get all the way to the rim. I'm thinking that I can't get to the rim with a torch either (w/o doing damage to the rim). This trailer has old skool brakes and would require a lot of work to replace the lug stud, if I just cut the stud off.

[Geoff Weeks]

There is a special tool that is made to get the inner nut off when that happens. It isn't 100% effective, but does work most of the time.

https://www.jbtools.com/ken-tool-30165-dual-wheel-lug-stud-remover/?wi=off&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22174825632

you pound it on and then wrench the nut off.

Once you have ground down one side, I don't think it will work. 

just cutting above the rim may not do it. You may have to pull the hub, if inboard drums, and remove the nut in the drum and drive the stud out. If that is what you mean by "old Skool" brakes!

I think you may be to the point where you have to decide "what to destroy" to get the rim off, and replace the destroyed parts.

[mechohaulic]

you got the outer nuts off which would indicated going right direction of thread ; not tightening inners due to left/right hand  . depending on how much you cut with die grinder . which is #1 method for broken removal. two ways which have proven successful :: 1- install the outer nut back on close to wheel and weld it to inner deep socket /impact try removal 2- drill number of small holes in broken inner nut close to rim . then the  pipe wrench. another reply just came in ; possible same.

[mechohaulic]

being "an old trailer" going with idea these are steel wheels not alum which would have the thinner shank inner nuts. option two of drilling the bevel on inner nut allows for penetrating oil to soak threads/nuts , also weakens the inner nut. after drilling inner bevel . a few smacks with BF hammer at broken end helps loosen situation on occasion. 

[mechohaulic]

DON'T allow frustration to confuse the brain cells to point you do everything and still the MF nut doesn't move only to find out you were turning it the wrong way !! now who would do that ???😱😱. here I am folks.

[Joey Mack]

Lefty tighty,,, righty loosy..

[mechohaulic]

1 minute ago, Joey Mack said:

Lefty tighty,,, righty loosy..

but there are some of US not wrapped to tighty and use the highway arrow signs to know proper direction.🤣

[mechohaulic]

5 minutes ago, Joey Mack said:

Lefty tighty,,, righty loosy..

now I'm confused : does that hold true for budd wheels of older days?? left hand thread is "backwards" thread. 

[Joey Mack]

I dont know, i assume so.  Id like to think the end of the inner lug is stamped,  R or L.

[Geoff Weeks]

Hub pilot are all right hand thread, Stud pilot (what some refer to as "Budd") are right on right and left on left

[Geoff Weeks]

I have come across where someone has swapped a hub from side to side, so always a good idea to check first.

[terry]

9 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said:

Hub pilot are all right hand thread, Stud pilot (what some refer to as "Budd") are right on right and left on left

👍 i was taught to always tighten towards the front of truck.   terry

[mrsmackpaul]

Find a bigger sized nut, slip it over the remainder of the nut shank and really lay into it with the welder

It will heat the bahjeebers out of it 

This will hopefully break everything free then undo

If you are worried about the wheel getting damaged, cut some thin tine up to slip over the stud to protect the wheel while welding 

Might need to use a stick welder to get enough heat transfer, MIG lacks penetration compared to a stick welder 

Paul 

[h67st]

What I've done in the past is cut a slot like he's already done, make sure the thing is soaked thoroughly with penetrant, then air chisel the slot in the removing direction. You can peel a lot of them off that way, and often the rattling and oil will loosen the thing up before you peel it off. If you're careful you won't damage the stud.

[Brandt]

I have the Ken-Tool above on the way. However, this might not work on the one I slotted.  That one may require welding a nut to it - good idea that I never would have thought of. I'm an equal opportunity inner lug breaker - I have 1 broken on each side, so 1 RH thread and 1 LH thread. I haven't ran my portable welder in over a year and the shop welder doesn't have 1/4 mile long leads. I'm sure there will be fun and games to get the welder going.

[Geoff Weeks]

Hammer the Ken-Tool on as far as you can, break loose the inner nut but don't remove it, used some pinch bars to get the Ken tool off. Easier to do when it is still threaded on the hub and the rim is available to pry against.