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[RoadwayR]

Story I was told was there was an underhood heat problem.

[Red Horse]

On 7/28/2025 at 11:18 PM, RoadwayR said:

Story I was told was there was an underhood heat problem.

Correct.  I was told that by a commercial truck Ford guy.  My comment was .."and the 6.7 Power Stroke doesn't generate a lot of heat".  an absolute bullshit excuse IMO.  Think of the west coast volume they would gain.

[RoadwayR]

Ford 'heavy truck' (what they consider the F-650 and 750 to be) sales are down yet again for the month of July.  That's 9% for the month and over 15% for the year, and equates to less than a 1000 units/month.  Maybe a reason Ford doesn't want to put any money in the line? 

[kscarbel2]

On 8/5/2025 at 11:47 PM, RoadwayR said:

Ford 'heavy truck' (what they consider the F-650 and 750 to be) sales are down yet again for the month of July.  That's 9% for the month and over 15% for the year, and equates to less than a 1000 units/month.  Maybe a reason Ford doesn't want to put any money in the line? 

Just drove back from the west coast. I saw late model Ford mediums everywhere. I even inspected a new F-650 at a Ford Pro location. They have that truck's engineering down to a science. Best bang for the buck in medium.

[RoadwayR]

On 8/6/2025 at 6:45 AM, kscarbel2 said:

Just drove back from the west coast. I saw late model Ford mediums everywhere. I even inspected a new F-650 at a Ford Pro location. They have that truck's engineering down to a science. Best bank for the buck in medium.

For sure the 650/750 is the perfect truck for certain operators, like municipalities and utilities that can get by with a basic spec. medium duty.  Anyone a requirement for severe service, high mileage (diesel), special equipment options or a complicated upfit would be best served by International, Freightliner, or Mack.  I am in So. Cal., and the 650/750 were strong sellers up until the last few years, but since the 6.7L Powerstroke is no longer CARB compliant you hardly see new ones.  Galpin Ford, the nation's second largest Ford dealer, has 2 650's (both leftover 2024's) currently in stock, my local Ford Pro dealer doesn't have any 650's or 750's.  With 650/750 sales being what they are today and knowing Ford, I am a little surprised these trucks are still around.  It's not like they share a platform with any other Ford.  Ford Pro seems to be all about the Transit, I wish Ford would once again get serious about 'real' commercial trucks.            

Edited Friday at 04:01 AM by RoadwayR

[67RModel]

8 hours ago, RoadwayR said:

but since the 6.7L Powerstroke is no longer CARB compliant you hardly see new ones. 

To be clear the Powerstorke is 100% CARB compliant and the diesel powered F650/750 is 100% legal to be sold in CA. Ford voluntarily made the decision to cease sales of diesel powered 19,500+ GVW vehicles. Ford also disbanded from the Truck and Engine Manufacturers Association (EMA) when is started lobbying for less stringent heavy dudty diesel emissions standards.

Certain Ford Super Duty trucks no longer available for sale in California - RV Travel

Ford Excludes More Super Duty Diesel Sales In California - CarsDirect

"A Ford dealer bulletin has surfaced that warns the “Blue Oval” truck builder is shutting off supply of certain Super Duty trucks in California. It’s all centered on Golden State emissions issues. The Super Duty shutdown is Ford’s decision—not something that California cooked up."

[james j neiweem]

I believe this is part of the globalist agenda to continue crippling the manufacturing ownership business in this country. IH to VW- Mack/Brockway to Volvo-Freightliner and W Star to Daimler-Detroit to Daimler. Dodge gone. Ford heavy gone. GM heavy and medium gone. White and its's acquisitions gone. Ford medium slip slidin away. Paccar, Cat, Cummins, Allison and Deere should be wary, they may be next. There are many other examples of US heavy industry that are gone such Westinghouse Nuclear to Canada, Westinghouse non nuclear to Siemans, GE Nuclear merged with Hitachi. President Trump is bringing back manufacturing to the US however most of these manufacturing businesses are owned by Europe, Canada and Japan. China and India to a lessor extent. These foreign manufacturers investing in our country own the land, building facilities and equipment needed for manufacturing. We do realize jobs in the process but we are like slaves to the foreign companies.

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[RoadwayR]

7 hours ago, 67RModel said:

To be clear the Powerstorke is 100% CARB compliant and the diesel powered F650/750 is 100% legal to be sold in CA. Ford voluntarily made the decision to cease sales of diesel powered 19,500+ GVW vehicles. Ford also disbanded from the Truck and Engine Manufacturers Association (EMA) when is started lobbying for less stringent heavy dudty diesel emissions standards.

Certain Ford Super Duty trucks no longer available for sale in California - RV Travel

Ford Excludes More Super Duty Diesel Sales In California - CarsDirect

"A Ford dealer bulletin has surfaced that warns the “Blue Oval” truck builder is shutting off supply of certain Super Duty trucks in California. It’s all centered on Golden State emissions issues. The Super Duty shutdown is Ford’s decision—not something that California cooked up."

Thank you for that.  Technically even if the engine meets CARB regulations but the manufacturer does not certify the engine with CARB then it isn't compliant and can't be sold in California.  I would like to see the emissions label on a new Powerstroke powered F-650, I suspect it says Federal EPA only.

I have to say I think that's a really bad decision on Ford's part.  Ford is claiming the move will improve the 'overall environmental performance of our fleet' which seems a rather dubious reason.  Of course it's in compliance with heavy duty NOx standards, diesels create a lot more NOx than gas engines so if you don't sell any diesels it will be easier to comply with NOx standards.

Not sure what Ford is trying to prove here.  They broke ranks with the EMA and seem to be falling over backwards to please CARB at the expense of truck sales and their dealers.  And this is in light of the fact that as 67RModel stated the Ford trucks CAN comply with CARB regulations.  Crazy!

Regardless of what side of the political fence you are on you have to admit CARB, or at least their ability to create their own vehicle emission standards, could very well come to an end soon.  

  

   

 

 

   

Edited Friday at 08:03 PM by RoadwayR

[kscarbel2]

On 8/7/2025 at 11:59 PM, RoadwayR said:

For sure the 650/750 is the perfect truck for certain operators, like municipalities and utilities that can get by with a basic spec. medium duty.  Anyone a requirement for severe service, high mileage (diesel), special equipment options or a complicated upfit would be best served by International, Freightliner, or Mack.  I am in So. Cal., and the 650/750 were strong sellers up until the last few years, but since the 6.7L Powerstroke is no longer CARB compliant you hardly see new ones.  Galpin Ford, the nation's second largest Ford dealer, has 2 650's (both leftover 2024's) currently in stock, my local Ford Pro dealer doesn't have any 650's or 750's.  With 650/750 sales being what they are today and knowing Ford, I am a little surprised these trucks are still around.  It's not like they share a platform with any other Ford.  Ford Pro seems to be all about the Transit, I wish Ford would once again get serious about 'real' commercial trucks.            

Agreed! Ford Pro is not focused on "real" commercial trucks.