clifton Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Here are a couple of pics of the frame on the F700 that I am thinking of taking the motor out of and putting into the Superliner. This is what they did on both sides of the frame. I will post more pics of both the trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifton Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 More Pictures of the F700. You can get a good look at their handy work on the frame and how they used a substantially taller piece of frame and welded up all the way around it. There are some large cracks at the front of the frame in front of the wheels about 9 to 14 inches in length. I didnt want to crawl underneath it to get those pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Nothen wrong there except it needs some paint. Quote glenn akers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifton Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 Here is the Superliner I have my eye on buying. The fella said he would let me have it for about 3000.00. It will need a pair of tires and brakes on the rear axle as well as a motor. I planned on putting the V8 out of the F700 into the Superliner. The guy I am getting off of said the mileage was about 190,000 and was correct. It has been a water hauling truck and that is what happened to the rear part of the frame, that is why he pulled the motor believing the frame was unfixable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Looks like they did the drive shaft the same way! Scary!! Paul Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhasler Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Main problem I see with the Superliner is the volvo battery! Quote "Mebbe I'm too ugly and stupid to give up!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifton Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 Nothen wrong there except it needs some paint.Which one the F700 or the Superliner? I didnt think the F700 would even pass inspection with the frame like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifton Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 Looks like they did the drive shaft the same way! Scary!! Paul It shakes like dog S%&ting a peach seed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifton Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 The Superliner I plane on removing the rear axles, separating the frame, having it sandblasted, primered and painted then go back together. How do I get the top of the frame to lay back down after I clean the rust, dirt and junk out from in between them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I'm with Glenn on the frame stretch. Seen a lot of them that way. Using a 1/4" thick, 34" wide frame slides right over a standard 33.5" wide Mack frame. The original Mack frame looks to be nine inch rails where the addition is probably 10" which is very common. This truck was given enough overlap it will be strong. Weld it up solid and it's good to go. I would have probably notched the lower rail and tapered it up to meet with the underside of the existing Mack frame for appearance sake, but it would have added little strength.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 The Superliner I plane on removing the rear axles, separating the frame, having it sandblasted, primered and painted then go back together. How do I get the top of the frame to lay back down after I clean the rust, dirt and junk out from in between them?I wouldn't do that. Rerail it but the price is too steep to start with given the amount of work it requires.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifton Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 I wouldn't do that. Rerail it but the price is too steep to start with given the amount of work it requires.RobI would have never though it would be cheaper to replace the frame rails then clean and go back together with them. When to say rerail it do you mean the entire frame rail or cut the frame off behind the cab and do what they did to the F700, just prettier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAD DOG Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 The F model I would agree with Rob and weld it up no reason why you can't bevel the bottom of that framre and tie it into the other still. As for the superliner, I've scraped a couple of those 1/4" double frames and when they get that much crust in between the rails like that one they are almost rotted through so when you sandblast them they'll be to thim if you don't blow through them. I'd change the rails. depends what you want to put into it. I'd say the F is an easier fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I would have never though it would be cheaper to replace the frame rails then clean and go back together with them. When to say rerail it do you mean the entire frame rail or cut the frame off behind the cab and do what they did to the F700, just prettier?The front frame of the RW "splays" outward under the cab. Cut the frame a foot behind the start of the splay, then graft another cutoff onto the stubs. Hide everything well and you will have no problems. Sometimes you will need to trim brackets, (such as fuel tank, battery boxes, etc.) but as Bad Dog stated, it will be thin and metalurgically stretched/fatigued so shouldn't be used again.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifton Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 Wow, I really thought that F700 was toast!! I dont know that much about frames thats why I ask alot of questions. So, which one would ya'll fix, the F700, which has a substantial amount of rust in the cab and dents that must be fixed as well as parts being rather hard to find or,,,,, the superliner which needs frame rails. Would yall double rail the frame again or go back single rail with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Is the RW a factory double? Is the second piece on the outside or inside? You may be ok cleaning and painting with replacement of the second piece only. You could have those pieces made for a lot less than you can buy Mack frame rails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstack Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Unless he would come off the price on the superliner I'd leave it alone. Sounds like too much $$$$ for the work it needs. Trey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifton Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 Is the RW a factory double? Is the second piece on the outside or inside? You may be ok cleaning and painting with replacement of the second piece only. You could have those pieces made for a lot less than you can buy Mack frame rails.I thnk it is a factory double, the second piece is on the inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Looks like they did the drive shaft the same way! Scary!! PaulI've seen several driveshafts done that way and they are never even close to balanced. Damned strong however........Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifton Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 Well men, after much deliberation........well not that much really. I think I am going to just shorten the F700 back to the factory wheelbase and let her ride. I appreciate all the advice I have been given, If it wasnt for yall I would have cost myself a lot of money buying frame rails and all kinds of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysm35a2 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I like the F model , I agree I think 3,000 is a bit much for whats left of a parts truck Superliner but thats me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b61fred Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 The superliner is a bit much, I bought mine and drove it home for $2500 although I thought that to be an exceptional good deal.. Quote 15 gears...no waiting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstack Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Clifton, what part of NM? Trey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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