Red Horse

Kevin, I don't see how the Granite can compete with the F'liner medium duties from a pricing perspective. Mack can put an 8 or 9 liter engine in the Granite but IMO it is still a legitimate class 8 truck. This would be not much different than F'liner putting the new D8 in a Coronado or Cascadia. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear or in this case, why make a sows ear out of a silk purse Having said all that, I can see why some diehards might want to attempt to maintain their loyalty to Mack but I would have to believe the price differential would have to be significant. Just how much can you decontent a Granite to get it down to medium duty price levels???

Thx Kevin-don't know where i got the Parker Hannifin idea. But looking at the Eaton cut sheet, "Mass 1250 pds.", I guess that is one negative assuming it is the added weight of the system. Although what is the weight of the batteries in some of these other hybrids. One other negative I see is a minimum 191" wheelbase. But again, using Eaton's example of refuse, what a perfect application-a lot of brake applications and frequent starts. I wonder why the concept did not make it. Again first thought is cost but what hybrid is NOT costly. I also think Ford had done a lot with hydraulic assist-perhaps they were the ones hooked up with P-H.

The hydraulic hybrids seemed to make a lot of sense in terms of simplicity. Whatever happened to I believe Parker-Hannifin (sp?) didn't they do quite a bit on this? I believe knock on these is the weight of the accumulator tanks?

Interesting, Wards made no mention of Ford in class 6. They were the 2016 leader at 36.46% with a huge December at 51.3% Guess the U-haul order has been met??

Hah-good one on Western Star-surprised heavy truck people would not catch that. Going back to Ford check out the video where the "fleet manager" in the "oil and gas sector" talks about her Super Duties. All kinds of 450/550's and in the background? International bucket trucks. If you have to do your spot at that company, maybe you could cut out the scenes where your competitor to 750 is clearly shown. And by the way, "double whammy"-this company in the "Oil and Gas sector"-you would think its an oil exploration/producing outfit? Nope-looks like its an electric utility. As for not having a gas motor right out the gate, that would be surprising given Fords big sales numbers with 650 gas.

Hmm...."to bucket loaders"..... And I thought the Ford marketers were brain dead. Perhaps at some point Mr Schegman's staff will provide him pictures of a "bucket loader" and an aerial bucket truck! Wonder if the lack of reference to a gas engine has any significance??

Wow- I stand corrected- I would say for an American then from PA you are doing quite well-always thought it was a tough language.

I think first thing they should do is get a better translator for their press releases.

I would have to say a lot of people are skeptical too based on 750 sales numbers. 650 is doing very well but my bet is the percentage of V-10 gas jobs is very high. I actually forgot about that B-10 rating.. Very high IMO for any medium duty engine-to say nothing of a V-8 at those HP ratings.

Wow, that is a big statement. And this is in the Class 6 Chevrolet too!

Are they not imported as knockdowns? That is what I thought

Ford has the biggest percentage of class 6 now but I think that is primarily because they offer the only gas engine in the class and a lot of buyers don't want to pay that diesel premium based on their annual mileage. Agree 100% though on the need for a smaller diesel. And no doubt the NPR's have a good rep. As KSC has repeatedly pointed out, and provided us with the appropriate links, Ford had better wake up and bring their Cargo (In all weight ranges) here, however they do it. If Isuzu/GM can get around the "import" issues, Ford should be capable of doing same.

Nice Rich on all counts. That door repair-is the piece just laid over rusted area or did you cut old area out? Sorry you missed Sat-usual good crowd.

Nice seems when I try something like that with mine I just get glare!

Wow-very nice-heat, sand-you have it all!

Nice and given temps we have up here in MA, don't think its that much warmer down in Berlin-how do you heat that barn?

Outstanding-I-Phone or real camera?

Kevin-Hit the nail on the head-brain dead marketers. The only US builder of class 1-7 and they do nothing to wave that flag. Saw some recent Ford Commercial Truck ads that show a new 650/750 bucket truck in background and the truck is visible for like a half second. What are these dummies thinking?

Kevin -No argument on your points on the negatives associated with front discharge. But like I said, with a driver controlling the chute direction, discharge rate and following a form with the vehicle, there is no way you are going to compete with a rear discharge-and for sure no one wants to pay for a pump on say the typical residential foundation pour.

I guess if you are backing up to a concrete pump, a rear discharge does the job-and at a cost effective up front price. But it seems around here most of the new purchases are front discharge. Once contractors get used to the ease of working with front discharges, they don't want some guy backing on to the job site and jumping into the truck every two minutes to reposition. I'm sure in the big fleets can justify a good mix of front/rear but it seems the smaller guys have to make the decision as to what works best for MOST of their customers. You can still feed a pump with a front discharge AND the residential foundation pour goes a lot quicker. Much more flexibility but for sure at a higher upfront cost.

Again, don't see how this can work. 5000 trucks a month in class 7 with 6 builders and about the same in class 6. And from a logistics perspective you are trucking components all over the place and two "builders each have to get their "cut" ( Alkane and Agrale). Or are these guys getting some sort of govt. handout from the state? To say nothing of the preference for conventionals in the US. If if the cab over market was that attractive, think Ford would be bringing the class 6/7 Cargo components in from Brazil??

Amen-thank you Amazon! And every 4th truck is a Swift going to the Amazon DC, and every 3rd is a JBH container headed to the same location, etc etc. Oh-and the 7th? a drop deck loaded with Bridgeports coming from a plant that just shut down-he is headed to an auction site! Sad state of affairs.

Thx Jim- I knew they were not in good shape-shocker to hear they were buying used tractors. Wow how times have changed remember the old days in the late 60's early 70's when it seemed every fifth truck on I-90 was a "Big R"!

Very good-or perhaps the flat brimmed "baseball" hat normally worn over the ears ALSO fell over his eyes!

Roadway (YRC) is that hard up they are buying used tractors?