Red Horse

Note the "Super Singles" on this B-81-or were they called " duplex" back then. My first assignment to a field location in 1966- Albany NY and garage had a bunch of these leaning against a wall-an abandoned trial!

Think of the remediation alone to get rid of the asbestos and everything else that is in it, that has been declared hazardous since it was built. Then again, when some of us take pride in supporting one of the last corporate giants that you can relate to in terms of having a personal face, The downside is that someone at the top-like Bill Ford- can support a decision like this that makes no sense-in particular when they are spending a lot of money on a new complex how many miles away? Once again a decision that seems to be based on a desire to keep the "autonomous/electric" crowd separate from the old school.

Well the good news is they at least mentioned 650-750 with some planned improvements. And unrelated to this piece, looks like they are chipping away at Dodges class 4 and 5 numbers. But the new GM class 4 and 5's should make for interesting competition-to say nothing of the rebadged Isuzus being sold by Chevy dealers. Ford needs that small Cargo -with updates-and soon-with an inline diesel.

Well another good example-when GM was offering the 8500 with a tandem axle, you know they had a GVW over 33,000 lbs. Yet they never posted any sales figures for class 8. How does that work? Likewise, Ford offers an F-750 with a 37,000 lb GVW. Class 8 for sure based on the numbers-yet you'll never see a class 8 sale for Ford. (Then again I'VE NEVER SEEN an F-750 advertised in any of the dealer rags with a 37,000 lb tag) I have seen plenty of 8500 GM tandems however.

Rich-bring a skidder too because there is a big tree across the road up! This is why we need a web site.

Any club members out there. The Saturday Meeting is canceled as Bill S's house still has no power. Bob

Picture of plane I saw was I believe an SBD ( Dauntless). I guess at that depth there is very little oxygen in water and that is why they don't completely deteriorate?

EJ- thx-I think Leo B drove one of those. I will go through the archives though as I do believe I've got some good pics in Socony colors.

Wonder why no mention of class 4, 5? I thought that was what the GM JV was all about??

JIm- for sure-gotta have a blue oval or a bulldog or green paint!- but have to pay attention to th competition-they have raised the bar IMO

For sure-Ford and Ram will have to compete just on price-like they did when GM was building th old 4500/5500's

For sure. If I were a Ford dealer tonight I would be raising holy hell within the dealer organization. Medium is growing thanks to changing distribution patterns as well as the need to maximize under 26,000 gvw to avoid the CDL issue and doesn't look like the are doing anything but continuing to piss away market share.

again! http://media.chevrol...ar/c-4-5-6.html

try this http://media.chevrol...ar/c-4-5-6.html

http://www.worktruckshow.com/WTS/WTSpressreleases/WTS18-press-conferences/Chevrolet_unveils_the_2019_Chevrolet_Silverado_450

I have Red Wing 914s-8" insulated-can't complain about the sweating -and I would switch them off during summer with 608's that Is I think same as 908 except no insulation- they just hurt my ugly feet!

Serious stack of front springs-unique sway bar ?? Underide protection all the way around-didn't think they were that into the safety aspect. How much of these trucks Kevin is unique to these china built units vs the Otosan/Brazil Crgos??

thx-and made in USA at less than the price of a used car!

So how do you like them. I have 4 pairs of Red Wings but my flat feet and fallen arches are killing me. Also, size 13 too small, size 14 too big. I found a Mid West Boot site that offers half sizes! and guess what-the Thorogood site is one and the same. Made in USA-Im looking at PW Minor 3101. 256 bucks.."or call for best price" So-good value ijn your opinion?

Well you make a good point regarding roll-off/refuse. But how about beverage-specifically beer? The soda boys will probably always stick to a Hackney type bevrage body with roll up side doors but the beer guys need the flexibility of handling kegs. Most of the beer distributors around here use tandem International (4700s?) or F'liner102/108 for straight jobs and same for tractors that typically pull 32+ ft. tandem trailers. A 23,000 lb single rear axle doesn't cut it. So I think the tandem LCF has a home in that class of trade.

thx Kevin- another WTS intro?

Hadn't heard that. Hino will show theirs next week at Work Truck Show

Hah-I wish but who knows. Looks like a good event though with a lot of equipment suppliers there- Godwin, Altech etc. Don't think we will ever see the big cab overs here but it is crazy that they are not expanding the 750 in particular to other markets with a bigger 6 cylinder diesel and a trans other than the Duratorque. Then again the 7.3 V-8 should get some buyers in 750 for the same reason the 650 gas sells well. Did see a brand new Penske Leasing 650 this morning. Gas of course but still good to see that. I do believe Roger has some sort of interest in the Hino distribution network. When we see him buying diesel 650/750's that will be noteworthy.

Anyone have any experience with Mid West Boot Co. I have been battling an ankle tendonitis issue and while trying to educate myself a link for this company popped up. I went to their sight and its a good one-like choice of made in USA, made in USA of foreign components etc. Plus biggest thing they half half sizes-at least in the boots I checked out, I've been wearing Red Wings-currently switch between 1431, 914, 608 and 2156. four pairs because I can't find anything that is really comfortable. (Although 608's are done- soles finally started to crack and come apart but I've had them quite a while.) I have no arch and 13's are too small and 14's too big. Half size caught my eye.

On the subject of the upcoming Work Truck Show, in looking at the show's website, Ford has the biggest floor space-slightly more than Ram but considerably more than the other big players. As for exhibit staffing, Ford has 182 people registered, while Chevrolet has 140, Hino 138, International 111, Ram 90, Isuzu 83, Freightliner 75 and Paccar 47. I think Mack has around 30 people. We know GM will be introducing their new class 4, 5 Silverados. Ram for sure will be showing their new cabs and if Ford's space and staffing numbers are any indication, you would think they would have some significant product announcements. Hino's exhibit will have their new tandem, class 8 and big 6 engine. Mack does have space and it looks like they will be talking a lot about the new cab interiors Should be an interesting event.