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17 hours ago, tjc transport said:

obummers bombing record from 2016... all done without congress aproval:

Obama might be the worst president in modern US history. I certainly would not use his actions to validate anything. It was wrong then and is wrong now. It has nothing to do with Obama, Trump. Or Democrat, Republican. Or Left, Right. The fact that a president can unilaterally bomb another sovereign nation and kill its citizens without Congress' (the people's) consent is heinously troublesome. I don't think US foreign policy is righteous. In fact on the contrary, probably for about the last 80 years US foreign policy has been overall terrible, and has not been in the best interest of the American citizen. I think there is ample evidence to support this. Murder hornets are more of a threat to US citizens than Iran is. But we just spent half a billion dollars leveling sections of their country for our safety. Anecdotally I fell less safe now than I did last Friday afternoon. Not by much but the feeling is there. I think the US meddling in Israel's matters is not in the US citizen's best interest.

 

17 hours ago, tjc transport said:

how many did Trump drop in iran, 3? 4? 

It matters not but for the record it was more than 75 according to General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. As I understand it the third site was leveled using dozens of cruise missiles launched from submarines due to it not being a fortified, underground site.

Pentagon reveals how B-2 bombers struck Iran nuclear sites in mission dubbed "Operation Midnight Hammer" - CBS News

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One thing is for sure, if they (Iran) did have nuclear weapons they would not hesitate to use them. They have shown repeatedly that they have zero respect for human life- none. I'm sure they would bomb Israel immediately if they had nuclear capability and the U.S. would be next as soon as they came up with a deliverance plan to get it this far.

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2 hours ago, other dog said:

One thing is for sure, if they (Iran) did have nuclear weapons they would not hesitate to use them.

I think that is extremely debatable and probably incorrect. The same reason that keeps anyone that has nukes from using them would keep Iran from using them as well. They are no different. There is a reason they have never been used since the two were dropped on Japan. If Iran used a nuke on Israel, the 10 largest cities in Iran would be vaporized within 25 minutes. I think mutually assured destruction is 100% real. I think most other people do too. That is why they have never been used again. Additionally I doubt they would nuke the third holiest city in Islam and contaminate / vaporize the Holy Land at large.

This is the same Iran that has been "just weeks away" from attaining a nuclear weapon for literally the last 30 years. Just a little over a month ago director Gabbard reported that Iran is nowhere near being able to enrich fuel enough for a nuclear weapon let alone build a nuke. Was she lying?

Sure Iran is regional bully and "state sponsor of terrorism". I honestly couldn't care less what they do over there. None of my business. To me they are just a saber rattling FUD that amounts to absolute zilch for average American citizen. To my knowledge Iran has never attacked this country or carried any terrorist attacks on American citizens here. Heck the largest terror attack in our history was carried out by our supposed closest ally and "best friend" in that region. Not one hijacker was Iranian. 15 were Saudis though 🙄. Even though it amounts to absolutely nothing, I highly doubt the "death to America" mantra is totally unfounded. If the US and CIA had not been playing around in Iran back in the 60s and 70s we wouldn't even be here. The US government destabilized the whole country because we are righteous and they are not. And here we are 50 year later still telling them what they can and cant do. Its honestly not hard to see why they are angry. At this point dropping bombs on them and killing their citizens is treating the symptom not the problem. I doubt it created any good will with the average Iranian citizen. Certainly not with any of the radical ones.

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8 hours ago, 67RModel said:

Obama might be the worst president in modern US history. I certainly would not use his actions to validate anything. It was wrong then and is wrong now. It has nothing to do with Obama, Trump. Or Democrat, Republican. Or Left, Right. The fact that a president can unilaterally bomb another sovereign nation and kill its citizens without Congress' (the people's) consent is heinously troublesome. I don't think US foreign policy is righteous. In fact on the contrary, probably for about the last 80 years US foreign policy has been overall terrible, and has not been in the best interest of the American citizen. I think there is ample evidence to support this. Murder hornets are more of a threat to US citizens than Iran is. But we just spent half a billion dollars leveling sections of their country for our safety. Anecdotally I fell less safe now than I did last Friday afternoon. Not by much but the feeling is there. I think the US meddling in Israel's matters is not in the US citizen's best interest.

 

It matters not but for the record it was more than 75 according to General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. As I understand it the third site was leveled using dozens of cruise missiles launched from submarines due to it not being a fortified, underground site.

Pentagon reveals how B-2 bombers struck Iran nuclear sites in mission dubbed "Operation Midnight Hammer" - CBS News

🤣 yes...because congress does so much only after the people's consent. 

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5 hours ago, 67RModel said:

I think that is extremely debatable and probably incorrect. The same reason that keeps anyone that has nukes from using them would keep Iran from using them as well. They are no different. There is a reason they have never been used since the two were dropped on Japan. If Iran used a nuke on Israel, the 10 largest cities in Iran would be vaporized within 25 minutes. I think mutually assured destruction is 100% real. I think most other people do too. That is why they have never been used again. Additionally I doubt they would nuke the third holiest city in Islam and contaminate / vaporize the Holy Land at large.

This is the same Iran that has been "just weeks away" from attaining a nuclear weapon for literally the last 30 years. Just a little over a month ago director Gabbard reported that Iran is nowhere near being able to enrich fuel enough for a nuclear weapon let alone build a nuke. Was she lying?

Sure Iran is regional bully and "state sponsor of terrorism". I honestly couldn't care less what they do over there. None of my business. To me they are just a saber rattling FUD that amounts to absolute zilch for average American citizen. To my knowledge Iran has never attacked this country or carried any terrorist attacks on American citizens here. Heck the largest terror attack in our history was carried out by our supposed closest ally and "best friend" in that region. Not one hijacker was Iranian. 15 were Saudis though 🙄. Even though it amounts to absolutely nothing, I highly doubt the "death to America" mantra is totally unfounded. If the US and CIA had not been playing around in Iran back in the 60s and 70s we wouldn't even be here. The US government destabilized the whole country because we are righteous and they are not. And here we are 50 year later still telling them what they can and cant do. Its honestly not hard to see why they are angry. At this point dropping bombs on them and killing their citizens is treating the symptom not the problem. I doubt it created any good will with the average Iranian citizen. Certainly not with any of the radical ones.

Use them or not, the headaches they'd cause pushing their radical views on everyone with the threat of using them is more than enough reason they shouldn't have them.  Problem with the bombing ???? it's around 40 years too late. Oh, and if anyone thinks there's a way the average Iranian citizen has access to information about the rest of the world ....riiiight. 

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