Red Horse

Opps..I ment to say developed between "Ford and GM", not Ford and Allison

Rich, I think they were too big for PO

I would put this in the same "Dumb Ass" moves list along with Ford ignoring the class 6/7 market. If it was a good product and they were no longer pouring significant costs into it, I would almost think it could survive on Amazon business alone recognizing their sunk costs must be significant.

Not really...the Ford Navistar "divorce" was over real issues...were the failure issues due to Fords actions or Navistars. This "divorce" is over what I consider the fraudulent claim that GM had an Allison transmission in their trucks when it fact it had NOTHING to do with Allison. It in reality was a transmissioin designed/ developed in a JV between Ford and Allison with certain differences between some models. In fact some components have the same part numbers. I'm so old that I go back to the early days of Allisons in class 8 trucks and I formed the opinion they should have been installed with Velcro fasteners to shorten replacement times😀...Not the case today, If I were buying a class 8 and did not want an /eaton manual, I would chose an Allison. I have to believe GM paid Allison a nice royalty fee to use their name. I can't tell you how many times I have heard some guy explaining his truck was better than a Ford Super because..."it has an Allison-just like the big trucks"! Interesting that FLT-forgot his name- in his somber announcement made no mention the transmission in fact was NOT an Allison but rather did a lot of tap dancing around the issue and never once mentioned the transmissions roots!

For sure..We had a training slideshow called "Mass in Motion". Showed a liquid load when tank was say half empty. Truck at rest, and the liquid load would be a level line from side to ride. Then say you went into a right hand turn. That "level line" would creep up on the left hand side of the tank, shifting the center of gravity closer to the left. And the faster and tighter the turn, the worse it became and the end result would often be a rollover. You wouldn't think you had to explain that to a driver. And the same would apply if you had a peddle load and the discharge manifold allowed you to open multiple compartments. Instead of draining one completely and taking a lesser amount out of the other compartment to minimize "slop", you had two compartments adding to the risk. And sad fact, it applies to freight that is not secured in a box...." the load shifted" said the dumb ass driver to the news camera!🤔

Talk about high center of gravity? If that tank was half empty can you imagine going into a turn too fast?? Then again it probably couldn't "go to fast"

Well I may have an interesting story..Local guy, very successfull small excavator. Started buying Petes. Last one a triaxle. then I go by the yard the otherday and the Pete-like a year old now is not there and looks like a new Granite is there.????? But fact remains..seems like all the old Mack construction fleets now have new Paccars🤔

Roger Sherman Riggers! I remember being at my grandparents house on Rt 5 sitting on steps "truck watching"- a good sighting was a chain drive Roger Sherman go by. Another one was a "straddle carrier" going by with a full load of lumber. Talk about chain drive noise. In my memory the driver and engine/drive train was about 8 feet or more in the air so the chains to the driving axle must have been 6 ft or more- 12ft+ total.

How true. Wish I understood the economics that makes this work for the Europeans????

Did Blakeslee own NH Trap Rock? That is a Euc? W.I Clark was Euc dealer I think

Nice memory for sure..and an impossibility in today's day and age.

Hah! I can relate. My high school was on a highly traveled road with a stop light out front. I had a class where I sat next to the window-that unfortunately the window sills were about 3" above eye sight when you were seated. And I could tell a Detroit from a Cummins from a Mack. And for sure a Ford Super Duty with its dual exhausts. There was a carrier -forgot name -who had a new Ford single axel tractor that would go by usually at the same time every day. One day the guy caught a red light. And he must have had a good load on the tandem trailer because I heard that V-8 barking when he took off and I jacked my ass off my seat to confirm what it was. The teacher had one glass eye but I guess I jacked a little too much and his good eye caught me....he says..."If whatever is going on outside is more important to you, if you don't stay in your seat you can leave now and go outside". That cured me. That was classroom discipline in 1961. 😎

Big mouth!😎

Brocky No the new syle that came out in 61 and lasted until the Louisville came out in 69 They kept it the same for those years and just changed ID badges and in 66 they raised the cab roof to give the driver more headroom for a higher seating position. Unlike the "steering wheel holders" of today who like to sit on the floor😎 But I'm sure they were 534's, which was first offered in '58. I asked a Ford salesman not that long ago if he new what the original "Super Duty" was? No clue

Okay you Connecticut guys have a pretty good memory but I may be too old for you on this one. In like '64 or 65 they were building I 91 north out of New Haven. I don't remember who the GC was but they had a trucker working for them that had a bunch of new Ford Super Duty T-950's Tandem dumps and a few T-950 tractors hauling Fuehauf bathtubs. These Fords were big 15,000 at least front ends and big rears on big rubber. Owner's name was Peter Longo..Anyone have a recollection of this guy?