The Iran Event

[Joey Mack]

And of course Democrats here are mad at President Trump.  Lets not forget that Netanyahu is also in this fight, and isnt the show of gratitude from Iranians that live here in the U.S. a reason to support this toppling of the Iranian Regime?  

[mowerman]

8 minutes ago, Joey Mack said:

Iranian leaders like the ones who were killed, with nukes means death to Christians and Jews......  Period!!!!!

Yes, and there’s always that…. Bob

[67RModel]

Why does US/Iranian history start in 1979? As if nothing happened before that, and the hostage crisis was something that seemingly happened out of thin air? Hmmm. Why doesn't anyone ever acknowledge the United States CIA overthrew Iran's democratically elected government in 1953,  manipulated the 1954 general election, and subsequently installed the Shah. Then the Shah gave half of Iran's oilfields away to Western interests and reformed the country through his White Revolution containing tremendous US influence. Culminating in the Iranian Revolution where the party currently in power took over. The hostage crisis was a small side quest of the overarching Iranian Revolution. All Carter had to do was turn over the Shah who had fled to the US in exile in exchange for the hostages. But no he drug it out for over a year and the Shah ended up dying of cancer in Egypt. That is just a tip of the iceberg summary and there is obviously much more to it than that but essentially the US created the problem in 1953. Now it wants everyone to forget history and bomb a sovereign nation and topple it's government. Shameful. I highly doubt the "death to America" mantra is totally unfounded. If the US CIA had not been playing around in Iran back in the 50s 60s and 70s, and If the only interaction the US ever had with Iran was buying its oil on the open markets we wouldn't even be here. At this point dropping bombs on them and killing their citizens is treating the symptom not the problem. Moreover, I think the US meddling in Israel's matters is not in the US citizen's best interest. How come you never hear "death to Spain" or "death to Chile" or "death to (any country that mind's its own effing business)"? You don't hear it because those countries don't operate outside their borders and mind their own business. Period. I don't think US foreign policy is righteous. In fact on the contrary, probably for about the last 80 years US foreign policy has been overall terrible, and has not been in the best interest of the American citizen. The USA is a highly corrupt, morally bankrupt debtor nation that thinks its omnipotent. I think there is ample evidence to support this. Any American killed by Iran up to last Friday can posthumously thank the US CIA,  British MI6, and BP Oil for their untimely deaths. 

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the logic behind Operation Epic Fury. I am being told Iran can't have a nuclear weapon by the same person who unilaterally bombed Iran without provocations less than a year ago and said Iran's nuclear program was totally obliterated and set back decades, possibly forever. Interestingly that same guy unilaterally shredded a functioning Iran nuclear weapons deal in 2018 that had been put into place in 2015. Now the US taxpayer is using its trillion dollar military to kill Iranians, topple a foreign government (again), and probably enter and occupy a sovereign nation. Its like the last 30 years taught us nothing. RA, RA, RA. USA, USA, USA! This county's time is coming and everyone will stand around and wonder how they were manipulated into believing such utter nonsense.

 

"Our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate. He’s weak and he’s ineffective." -Donald J. Trump (citizen), 2011.

 

To be clear I'm not supporting or defending any president, politician, or political party. I have zero allegiance to any nor believe any are somehow better than others. I am just observing blatant hypocrisy and corruption. And continuously watching 495 totally corrupted individuals impose their evil on 350,000,000 people and systematically destroy a once respectable country.

[kscarbel2]

 

[Mark T]

54 minutes ago, 67RModel said:

Why does US/Iranian history start in 1979? As if nothing happened before that, and the hostage crisis was something that seemingly happened out of thin air? Hmmm. Why doesn't anyone ever acknowledge the United States CIA overthrew Iran's democratically elected government in 1953,  manipulated the 1954 general election, and subsequently installed the Shah. Then the Shah gave half of Iran's oilfields away to Western interests and reformed the country through his White Revolution containing tremendous US influence. Culminating in the Iranian Revolution where the party currently in power took over. The hostage crisis was a small side quest of the overarching Iranian Revolution. All Carter had to do was turn over the Shah who had fled to the US in exile in exchange for the hostages. But no he drug it out for over a year and the Shah ended up dying of cancer in Egypt. That is just a tip of the iceberg summary and there is obviously much more to it than that but essentially the US created the problem in 1953. Now it wants everyone to forget history and bomb a sovereign nation and topple it's government. Shameful. I highly doubt the "death to America" mantra is totally unfounded. If the US CIA had not been playing around in Iran back in the 50s 60s and 70s, and If the only interaction the US ever had with Iran was buying its oil on the open markets we wouldn't even be here. At this point dropping bombs on them and killing their citizens is treating the symptom not the problem. Moreover, I think the US meddling in Israel's matters is not in the US citizen's best interest. How come you never hear "death to Spain" or "death to Chile" or "death to (any country that mind's its own effing business)"? You don't hear it because those countries don't operate outside their borders and mind their own business. Period. I don't think US foreign policy is righteous. In fact on the contrary, probably for about the last 80 years US foreign policy has been overall terrible, and has not been in the best interest of the American citizen. The USA is a highly corrupt, morally bankrupt debtor nation that thinks its omnipotent. I think there is ample evidence to support this. Any American killed by Iran up to last Friday can posthumously thank the US CIA,  British MI6, and BP Oil for their untimely deaths. 

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the logic behind Operation Epic Fury. I am being told Iran can't have a nuclear weapon by the same person who unilaterally bombed Iran without provocations less than a year ago and said Iran's nuclear program was totally obliterated and set back decades, possibly forever. Interestingly that same guy unilaterally shredded a functioning Iran nuclear weapons deal in 2018 that had been put into place in 2015. Now the US taxpayer is using its trillion dollar military to kill Iranians, topple a foreign government (again), and probably enter and occupy a sovereign nation. Its like the last 30 years taught us nothing. RA, RA, RA. USA, USA, USA! This county's time is coming and everyone will stand around and wonder how they were manipulated into believing such utter nonsense.

 

"Our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate. He’s weak and he’s ineffective." -Donald J. Trump (citizen), 2011.

 

To be clear I'm not supporting or defending any president, politician, or political party. I have zero allegiance to any nor believe any are somehow better than others. I am just observing blatant hypocrisy and corruption. And continuously watching 495 totally corrupted individuals impose their evil on 350,000,000 people and systematically destroy a once respectable country.

I think you left out one thing. After WW2 there was a serious concern about Communism. Someone may have figured an oil rich country would be better with Western influence as opposed to Communist influence which surely wouldn't have been exactly polite about the whole affair.  Back then, who else was in a position to do it ? Oil was one of the big reasons Hitler couldn't carry out his bat$hit crazy agenda. I'm certain leaders of the time realized that.  Ambitious countries need energy, and unfortunately it starts to get ugly after that realization. 

[mowerman]

That was very interesting. Thanks for that. Also I never heard that about obummer

[other dog]

34 minutes ago, Mark T said:

I think you left out one thing. After WW2 there was a serious concern about Communism. Someone may have figured an oil rich country would be better with Western influence as opposed to Communist influence which surely wouldn't have been exactly polite about the whole affair.  Back then, who else was in a position to do it ? Oil was one of the big reasons Hitler couldn't carry out his bat$hit crazy agenda. I'm certain leaders of the time realized that.  Ambitious countries need energy, and unfortunately it starts to get ugly after that realization. 

True that, and the US was probably the only country qualified and capable to back up what they say. In my opinion President Trump has probably heard "death to America" and "death to Israel" enough. He wasn't going to send them billions of dollars in cash money by the pallet trying to appease them . 

It says in the Bible that God stands by those who stand with Israel, and curses those that curse Israel. I don't know if anybody else believes this, but I certainly do.

[67RModel]

1 hour ago, Mark T said:

I think you left out one thing. After WW2 there was a serious concern about Communism. Someone may have figured an oil rich country would be better with Western influence as opposed to Communist influence which surely wouldn't have been exactly polite about the whole affair.  Back then, who else was in a position to do it ? Oil was one of the big reasons Hitler couldn't carry out his bat$hit crazy agenda. I'm certain leaders of the time realized that.  Ambitious countries need energy, and unfortunately it starts to get ugly after that realization. 

Communism. The only viable excuse to keep the military industrial complex ever expanding after the real conflict was settled. Both sides knew it. Stalin was dead by 1953. Nikita Khrushchev was much more relaxed and open to diplomacy. IMO it shouldn’t have been United States’ say in what government a country should have. The terrible aftermath of that decision has been on display for the last 45 years in Iran and other places. Vietnam. lol. What a joke. Communist. Now the US’s  7th largest trading partner.  US is joined at the hip with China in every way conceivable. Communist.