Red Horse

So what is so "new" about an "offset cab" To those of you from Central Mass, from the "Gargolinski Collection". This was an??LJWS???

For sure on the Binders-and also the GMC J??? later called Brigadier. What was OAL limit-back then? 55'??

Nice dozers-friend of mine has a 550-makes a hack like me look good

U came about for one reason-give Mack a 90" BBC to compete with 9000 Whites, 358/359 Brockways and later big time fleet competition in 1970 from the LN Louisville. Moving cab to side was good alternative to raising cab up in the air.

And in addition to old B-81, I'm told owner/ driver is 84 yrs young!

Well the smartest thing they did was the Ford buy out-or should I say "steal" at 300 million! At the time,Jim Hebe, then the big dog at Fliner claimed Ford as the vocational leader. That move took a typically 20%+ volume player out of the market. And they haven't looked back. come to think of it, the SD 114 even LOOKS like an old school Louisville-not the HN-80 replacement that went on as "Sterling". And Matt-all the big new Mass DOT trucks are SD 114's. Locals? I would guess its a battle between Fliner and Navistar. Unless you are talking small "clean up" trucks-in that case I would say F-550 rules.

Thx- I'm sure I should bite the bullet and do same-while the remaining good 24's are still around.

So much for accurate reporting......In its vocational business, Freightliner does not sell directly to end users but rather to TEMs, or truck equipment manufacturers, that include a truck cab, engine and chassis as part of a larger machine.

980K, PANDOLPH-PERKINS, Sterling loading my 6-8 yd Galion. This guy is good-like clockwork every load is like 9.4 ton-and he has no scale!

Thx Brian- it is an "X" with a 29.

EJ- that has never been a problem. I thought I had a spacer width problem then Danny Melone spotted that 7.5 rim on the outside. And the rears are all relatively new caps and you can see the height difference. I also can't get the wobble out of that wheel but I will worry about that once I replace the rim.

thx Jim-good info on the Euc site. Also did not know that the gap WAS acceptable.

The build sheet for my B , (11R x 24) lists the wheel rims as 14QJ314P3. In checking by position, I have 8.25's on the front and 8.25/8.0 on left rear and 8.0/7.5 on right. For sure the 7.5 has to go but any thoughts on having 8.25/8.0 as a combo. I assume worst case is I will not have same tire heights. Also, are wedges unique to a specific rim width? Thx

Nice pix! B on the left has a gold dog- for real 237? The one on right has unique hood scoop?? Where did you get that nice air cleaner stack-would like to upgrade mine

100% correct. And I should elaborate on my earlier post. I guess it shows I'm not a "bigger is better" guy-be it government or a non-profit organization. Obviously the ATHS board liked the idea of a large organization and the associated costs with running an office and a "library". "Work expands with time allocated". The more people you have, the more people justify their position/existence.

KS-Are you saying that these "new" 11 and 13 liters are in fact Fiat/Iveco s built under license? the article clearly states these are proprietory Ford Otosan engines designed and built in house. by the way, I did a google search and there was some big press show in Turkey in I think February. Very professional "show biz" media show to a room of a few hundred "suits". seated in the middle of the front romm with headphones on to get the translation is a smiling Bill Ford.! Mr Ford going to Turkey says a lot to me. By the way, your comment on the "high point" of the US heavy truck market "passing" is I think correct in the sense that 500 HP "large cars" will be on a downward slide is I think correct- as intermodal gains speed. But the short haul class 8 (11, 13 Liter??) market I think will thrive as you can only have so many intermodal break bulk facilities. Also, 11 and 13 liters will work very well in a lot of the vocational markets. There will always be a need for big power in vocational too but 11-13 IMO will be the volume. As always value your world wide view!

Wow-this IS big news-in particular it will be big news up here in "Wellington Mack" country. I was thinking (and I have no ax to grind) when I got that annual report. Look at the "staff". Look at the "office". Look at the "visitors"! 19 visitors per month! Look at the money spent on that sign! Motor Cargo? Who cares? Looks like one donation from a prior "big cheese" sends the entire organization over the cliff like a bunch of lemmings! I look at what the ATCA "Staff" does on a shoestring and I say..."works for me!"

Have to go through my "archives" (junk as the wife calls it) and see if I have any Rockwell literature " SS??"

KSC I saw a piece on the BON website that referred to Ford spending 100 million with Turkish partner Otosan to develop new 11and 13 liter diesels for trucks and industrial applications. You have any thoughts on that? I can't believe they would spend that kind of money and npot give consideration to the US market.

Kind of late to this forum but I did cast my vote for 50/60's. I was a 10 year old truck nut when the B came out- didn't like the round cab vs. the "L"s- but in my neck of the woods Macks ruled-in particular in construction. When I was working my way through school driving a Binder B-180, V-345 5/2 dump in early/mid 60's I looked at the "old guys" driving B's as the fortunate ones! Never did get to drive a B until 40 years later when I bought my first project-on second thought, when I entered the corporate world we did have a couple of B's left in the fleet and I can remember moving a single axle B with a "Unishift". R models-another story-plenty of those in my life and they would be my next choice, including the U,DM era.

For sure it is a hell of a lot heavier than 34,000 as some have suggested. I never saw a 34,000 set up with 6 spoke wheels-I agree with the heavy Rockwell. 44? 46?

Out of curiosity, are all Ford Super Duty cabs (250-750) stamped/assembled at KTP?

Mike good idea. My suggestion-as we can't be sure where anyone truck will be, we should meet in front of the big pole barn (biggest of 3). That is the one where t-shirts will be sold on right front. Bob

Guys- keep your fingers crossed for some good weather. And bear with us- first time out of the box at this location will be a learning experience.. Also, if you are a BMT poster, and you are bringing your truck, please post your "handle" on your window card Bob

Great job Matt-thx!