Geoff Weeks Posted Friday at 11:33 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:33 PM Do both the "ends" have holes in them to be screwed to the brush holders? If that is the case the center covered in black gets attached to the stud. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted Friday at 11:34 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 11:34 PM No GW. All 4 are tied together. Only 1 hole Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted Friday at 11:37 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:37 PM I don't think that is correct? What does your old one look like? If needed I can open one of mine and see if my memory is any good. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted Friday at 11:40 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 11:40 PM Mine has 2 pairs of coils each with its own screws for the coils Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted Friday at 11:54 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:54 PM Sorry I didn't see that earlier. I don't think there is a way that would give the factory result, if it would work at all. For 12 volts, I would look at L/N and a SAE #1 mount. I don't know the cost, but you will have something that can be repaired/replaced easily. I am sticking with 6 volt so staying with the old Delco. I did try an new "aftermarket" armature and found them to work well. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted yesterday at 04:00 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 04:00 PM I took a closer look at my starter. Yes the old coils had 2 screws to attach to 2 brushes. But those 2 brushes have a jumper wire. Now I'm thinking I can use what I bought because of the jumper. those 2 brushes are 180 degrees from each other. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted yesterday at 04:09 PM Author Share Posted yesterday at 04:09 PM I dropped the oil pan. 1/2'' of sludges, probably why the oil pressure was low, the pick up made a dent in the sluge.. I blasted the pan but old age reveals some small pitting on the outside. I'm good with it. Primed and painted it and the bolts. 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted yesterday at 04:42 PM Share Posted yesterday at 04:42 PM Wow, you’re the man … I really didn’t think you were gonna find anything in there Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted yesterday at 04:55 PM Share Posted yesterday at 04:55 PM That light gauge wire is enough to balance any slight difference in the current through the paired coil path, but I don't think it is heavy enough to carry a full 1/2 of the current draw of the starter. Yes, mine have that wire also. I don't remember what gauge it is, something like 14 or maybe 12 at the most. Like I said, I don't know what is going with those coils, they are NOT the same as the stock set-up. I am just guessing here, but I wonder if for 12 volt they ran all the coils in series, but in that case there should be a large conductor tying the two "hot" brushes together, the same size as the series coil stock itself. That little wire can not carry that kind of current. All I can tell you for sure, is that is not how the stock motor is set-up. If you can, bolt the pan back up and run it for a few hours to flush more gunk out of the block, use RTV or the old gasket so you don't waste a new gasket until the final time the pan goes up. I was surprised by how much more stuff came out after the 1st cleaning. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted yesterday at 05:04 PM Share Posted yesterday at 05:04 PM 20 minutes ago, mowerman said: Wow, you’re the man … I really didn’t think you were gonna find anything in there Unless it has been rebuilt, that is 80 years of accumulation in there. Likely most of it with non-detergent oil, which allows the heavy stuff to settle out. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted yesterday at 05:06 PM Share Posted yesterday at 05:06 PM lol thats why im a doityourselfer,,,and you guys are pros,,,and that makes perfect sence,,,bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted 23 hours ago Author Share Posted 23 hours ago GW... as far as the starter goes. I am going to put it together with the parts I have. If it fails, im out $145.00. Im willing to try, and I will post the results. I am also looking for the correct coils. The rest of my new kit is good. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago Let us know how it turns out. I will freely admit I have more to learn on motors and how the current flows in them. simple 2 pole generators or motors it really only can have one flow path. I am less sure when it comes to 4 pole esp with how the windings are on the armature. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted 23 hours ago Author Share Posted 23 hours ago BTW. You were spot on about the sludges and the pivoting oil pickup.. Too bad We cant give multiple solution awards on a single topic.. You would get them on this one... Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago Thank-you but I am just passing on what I learned with my own truck. Might be worth throwing some plastic gauge on the bearing while the pan is down. Bearings show up every once an a great while on E pay. The mains seam harder to find then the rods for some reason. If yours are ok but on the high side, better to have time to find them. I think Egge can supply them, or could but they are proud of them, for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted 22 hours ago Author Share Posted 22 hours ago Something just hit me when I went out to my Amazon Box to get an exhaust pipe I ordered 3 days ago.... 40 years ago I used to order parts for my snowmobiles, dirt bikes, and My Beetle, 69nCamaro and so on.... from catalogues, like J.C. Whitney, Dennis Kirk, and Summit racing for example. We had to fill out the order form and mail a check, then wait 4-6 weeks for delivery... God forbid, if the parts were wrong, then it was another 6 weeks to get resolved.. I cant imagin doing what i'm doing to Sanford, if I had to wait 4-6 weeks for parts today... I guess the interweb and online buying really is a good thing.. when I remember what I used to do. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago But think of the enjoyment reading those catalogs and dreaming about what we would get when we had enough coin saved! In some ways looking for parts for these older trucks is as much a treasure hunt as it was in the old days sending off and waiting for weeks for the parts to come. 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago BTW is Dennis Kirk gone? I have a few of the older catalogs but haven't tried to find them on the web. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted 22 hours ago Author Share Posted 22 hours ago I dont know GW,, havent neede to know .. They were my go-to for sleds and dirt bike parts.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseliner64 Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago Im in two minds about the ordering of parts on the web.It seems 50% of what I order is wrong despite giving part numbers/ frame numbers.I did however get rare parts on the web too. Last week I ordered 30 spline axle shafts for my Toyota mini van giving all the correct numbers.What arrived?? 27 spline shafts........aaarrrggghhh... Paul 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago Well, the Internet is absolutely wonderful compared to back on the day. You know you couldn’t stretch out any further than what you could drive now you don’t even have to move out of your chair and everything comes right to your door. I use Amazon quite a bit, but they’re a real pain in the ass to try to return anything there thankfully I usually don’t ever have to, but even wrecking yards across the country are all on the web nowadays, which makes it really handy. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago (edited) Yes, I would have to agree it is night and day. I could search out parts for my 30-40 year old tractors while on the road, and by the time I was home the parts were there waiting to be installed. Imagine before the internet going to a parts house and asking for the rubber gasket (or spool valve) for a Bendix MV-2 multi function valve. Getting a blank stare from the counter person. "We sell new ones", for a $13 part. Today the manuals are on line in .pdf form and the part numbers are listed so you can do a parts search for someone who has the part. I had an easier time getting parts for the same truck when it was 30 years old then I did when it was 6 years old, while that doesn't make any sense, it is the truth. I once got a complete set of 6 rebuilt injectors sealed in shipping box for $156 for the whole set, no core charge! I'd pick up gasket sets for pennys (remember those?) and throw them in a drawer, after a while I had several complete or mostly complete sets to use as needed. Edited 19 hours ago by Geoff Weeks 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 14 hours ago, Joey Mack said: Something just hit me when I went out to my Amazon Box to get an exhaust pipe I ordered 3 days ago.... 40 years ago I used to order parts for my snowmobiles, dirt bikes, and My Beetle, 69nCamaro and so on.... from catalogues, like J.C. Whitney, Dennis Kirk, and Summit racing for example. We had to fill out the order form and mail a check, then wait 4-6 weeks for delivery... God forbid, if the parts were wrong, then it was another 6 weeks to get resolved.. I cant imagin doing what i'm doing to Sanford, if I had to wait 4-6 weeks for parts today... I guess the interweb and online buying really is a good thing.. when I remember what I used to do. The first gear I ever bought from the States was in the 90's I woke early and jumped on the phone at 5 am Spoke to them in Yanky land Ordered what I wanted Then went to town and wired the money across A couple of months later, it was like Christmas, a big box full of parts for a 292 6 cylinder Chev Paul 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/76657-my-48-int-kb-7-sanford/page/4/#findComment-596219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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