1958 F.W.D.

Why not buy a Mack/Baker 75' Aerialscope? Win-Win. You get a CF Mack antique to play with and a lift truck that's practically bomb-proof.

Ken normally they would only use hot water in cold weather. Any additives cost extra so you would have to specify (and pay of course!)

What the hell? What am I, chopped liver? You can't call the building inspector/Waterous Pump Expert/Detroit Diesel Closet-comer-outter who's number you have in your cell phone?? Ok here's the deal with cold weather concrete: (as far as a building inspector is concerned....but what we say, *usually* gets you a good quality and code-compliant product in the end....) 1. The slab prep MUST be kept warm prior to the pour. No sense pouring concrete (even if it was made with hot water) onto a slab of ground covered with frost (hence it is below freezing and will freeze the water in the concrete soon enough....) You should prep the area, keep it heated with heaters if you have to and keep it covered with the concrete blankets for at least 2-3 days prior to the pour- this will get warm the ground to enough of a depth suitable for pouring. 2. The minimum early cure time for concrete with no additives is 5 days. If the concrete has no additives or anti-freeze, you MUST keep it heated and blanketed for a minumum of 5 days. 3. If you will be having an additive such as 2%Polarset or another non-chloride chemical (cannot have any calcium or chloride based additives in concrete that will encase rebar or WWM as it will eat it away...) is three days. Here's what I would do.....If you have not done the final "dig" of the slab area, schedule the concrete for the last possible delivery time on the day......Wake up early that day, and do your final dig (several inches....) Keeping the area covered with the earth will help you to retain the natural warmth of the earth. Do the final dig, then lay out the stone and tamp it, then the WWM, the rebar and the vapor barrier. If you have a few hours until the deliver, cover that shit with the blankets. Then after the pour and your smoothing, cover that shit again ASAP.....If its gonna be THAT cold I would double up the blankets or even cover the blankets with 4 or 5 inches of straw. Then light up a propane heater or two and make sure that shop is as weathertight as possible. For temps that cold at night I would go with no less than 2% Polarset or an equal product. Early high and I forget what the slump should be....I have a copy of ACI 318 (the concrete building codes) out in my truck but I dont like the things you said about me coming out of the detroit closet to walk out there to get it.....) I assume there is no such things as building permits or inspections out there.....What slab thickness? 8" with #4 bars 24" OCEW???? 6" WWM???

Name: Hahn HCP 12 (1978) Date Added: 21 November 2015 - 11:18 AM Owner: 1958 F.W.D. Short Description: 1978 Hahn HCP12 1250gpm,750 gallon water tank pumper View Vehicle

Actually, he called me right after you told him about the red truck. He said "heavier truck, ISX 500, warranty is more expensive....What do you think?" I said "hey if that's the truck he wants, go for it, just get $50 a month outta his take home to make up for some of the sting of the larger payments." He seemed to think that was a fair compromise.

The title is in hand, however the local tag shop ran out of antique plates, and Pa doesn't issue paper temp tags for antiques, so in lieu of driving out to Harrisburg, we'll have to wait 4-6 weeks for the plate. Buuuuuut the plate from the FWD is accidentally gonna fall onto the Hahn tomorrow so that we can move it to a temporary double-secret location near Hellertown while we wait on word from several potential indoor locations. We were told at first that we could keep it where it is now until the spring time, but now all of a sudden the family and the old man are getting kinda squirrely, so we want it out of there.

If a U-Model falls over and knocks into the others, is it like watching dominoes fall?

$100 a week from your pay for the warranty? Seems fair.

Mack458, when I refer to the kool-aid drinkers in this case, I mean the ones who follow Pierce like a cult- the ones who think that Pierce is the second coming of Christ. I like Seagrave myself. Do I think they are the second coming of Christ? Hell no, they are far from it. Does that make me a kool-aid drinker?

http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/index.php?/topic/39960-our-new-rescuepumper-under-construction/ Red Horse, there are many manufacturers out there that build a good product for a decent price. You may or may not have seen this thread. This is our newest rig, delivered this past August. It is what we call a "Squad Company", basically an enhanced Engine Company or a dual-role truck. It can of course perform engine company operations (deliver water onto the fire) and also basic technical rescue operations such as vehicle extrications/rescues (think jaws of life), rope/high angle rescues and some other basic rescue operations. The final note for this truck with some (not all of the equipment on board was purchased new) was about $433,000. It was built by Ferrara Fire Apparatus of Holden, La. The same truck built by Pierce would probably have cost in excess of $550,000. Note the absence of a LOT of chrome (hey we have to have SOME) or other bells and whistles. One of the only extravagant things we do have is a set of Buell train horns (something me and my old man started a while back...) EDIT: Red Horse I see that you and I were discussing the IFS failures at the end of my new firetruck thread....LOL!!!!

Pierce is known in the fire service to be somewhat of "The Mercedes Benz" of firetrucks.....They are the truck that everyone wants to have but not the one that everyone can afford. The Kool-Aid drinkers think that Pierce Fire Apparatus are the "Second Coming of Christ." Pierce thinks the same of their own products. Many firefighters think that unless if they have a Pierce firetruck, they cannot possibly do their jobs because the fire will not go out unless the firetruck parked out front is a Pierce. It's been alleged that if you listened to a Pierce salesman or company representative, they would tell you the same. Many volunteer companies buy Pierces with all of the bells and whistles because they are the trucks that win the parade trophies. Those of us who are financially responsible to our taxpayers opt to buy our rigs from the "Ford and Chevy" firetruck builders because that is the fiscally responsible thing to do- buy a truck that is cheaper, just as well built that does the job. They don't build a bad product, in fact they build a fine product. But they and their loyal, kool-aid drinking customers/followers need to learn that they are NOT the only truck in town. This issue is related to their in-house IFS. (Pierce is owned by Oshkosh, so I assume the IFS to be an Oshkosh design or a modified Oshkosh design.)

30HP...wow....always blows my mind how much HP fans can rob from you.

This is absolutely fucking hilarious. If you are involved in the fire service, and you regularly follow the fire apparatus manufacturing circles, this story makes you giggle happy giggles (if you don't drink the kool aid. If you do drink the kool aid, this makes you weep sad, sad tears.)

Dug these outta the closet- a ceramic beer mug and liquor glass from the original housing parade on May 20, 1978.

Hey....Where in the heck is Slpwlkr?? I'm starting to worry. Guess I better text him.......

What secret? I dunno what you're talking about.

And don't forget the FWD- first truck I ever rode on, period. Dad took me to a parade when I was 3!!!

I thought that was.........oh, never mind. Tasted like chicken.

The Detroit aint goin anywhere....... But it IS nice to dream E9 or 3408 dreams.........

Swishy I think you're pulling my leg.... Anyone have an E9 or a 3408 laying around they're not doing anything with?

Glad she ran good by the way. What engine/trans?

It's not us you have to worry about.....(ok maybe a little.) It's the DOT man and that black, leather-bound binder that he carries with him that would have made me think twice before I left the yard with that load. They DO occasionally roam country roads....Also here in Pa. local cops have DOT officers that can, have and will continue to pull guys over on back roads, inspect, red-tag and fine you......Just sayin.

Long story short. Remember- First truck that Hahn built with a Turbo. For a long time after the truck was delivered, my father insisted it was a turtle. The other members of the company (not being truckers or having any experience with big trucks other than their firetrucks) thought the truck was the cat's meow and told my pop to "buzz off aint nothing wrong with that truck." Over the years they were convinced that yeah, maybe it is a bit slow. So they tried bigger injectors and other bullshit plays, but nothing ever worked. So sometime around 1995 or so, when it was pretty much forgotten, Dad took it down to Penn DD/A down on State Road in Philly. They looked at it and scratched their heads, and put it on the dyno. Sure enough she was losing about 45-55HP somewhere. They were looking at it when an old-timer walked by and looked- And said "yeah theres the problem....." The turbo exhaust port was facing towards the front of the truck- the 3" exhaust line came off, made a 180 up, around and back to the ass end of the truck, and then there were two 90's to get the exhaust down low. Old timer says "get the right manifold- I think I saw one laying out back in the scrap pile....that will turn the turbo around which will straighten out the exhaust....Then use two 45's to drop it down...Oh,and bump up to 4" pipe. Oh and one more thing, get rid of that Farr intake/air cleaner under the hood there- put an external intake and air cleaner on top of the dog house. All its doing now is sucking hot air and not enough of it." So Dad did what he said with the manifold, the turbo and the exhaust....And "obtained" a new Donaldson canister intake that accidentally fell off a shelf at Jevic's parts room....And holy shit....It was another truck altogether. Penn DD/A even ran it in the dyno for free to see what the performance was....And yes picked up 45-55hp. We have the printouts somewhere.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You are about as funny as a fart in a jar.