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38 minutes ago, Joey Mack said:

Geoff,,  there was dead air on the phone.  What also got me was that he was sure they didnt sell that part, and didnt even ask a co-worker or the manager to help him help me..   No concern for serving the customer...   Young'ns have no clue how to ''serve'' folks..  

amen bro absolutely no clue! No work ethic ! May have to make your own offset key 😂! Volvo Turds want the old stuff to die so they can sell more junk to people!

21 hours ago, Joey Mack said:

Speaking of piston cooling nozzles,  I didn't see any in the ENDT 673 that I have..  I even looked again yesterday..

Piston cooling probably started as they were thinking on adding more ponys to the build, morphing up to the 237- 285- 315 I know when they went to  350 they added steel webs between the main caps ! Just before they started using the 4 valve head! 

On 9/21/2014 at 7:10 AM, raindog said:

just realized I hadn't read this thread all the way thru page two.

Can someone help out with the nomenclature--

What does TDC stand for? What does TEM stand for?

I have a wiring diagram for my E7--it shows an Engine Shutdown Relay. Is this the same as what is being called a fuel shutoff solenoid, and does this have anything to do with the problem that mild thunder was having? Think I've got the same problem.

If you suspect the shut down relay swap it with another relay in the batch there remember the one you use so you can replace it !

11 hours ago, Weston e7 said:

Is there a torque limit on a 98 model 

If there are wires for the torque limit switch they will be towards the back of the trans likely tied back in the loom two wires! if it has a mack trans the switch is located on the back Cylinder At the top! Not sure if they use it on that trans how ever the the wiring will likly still be there ! I have NEVER seen a Spicer trans in that model not sayin it isn't possible usually Eaton fuller Or Mack! Spicer did clone a Fuller trans at one point so anything is possible!

2 hours ago, Vicstruckservice said:

This motor does not have independent injection. It has the old style injection pump set up with only the rear connection for the throttle linkage is a wire pedal.. we changed the coolant temperature sensor and we checked for a second all pressure sensor, but it didn’t find one. It does have all pressure but as soon as it builds up all pressure it kills like I mentioned before. Also, the only electrical we have on the injection pump is, the pick up sensor on the side of it and the main harness that plugs into the rear of the injection pump they also is a three-way solenoid plug on front injection pump not sure where that is for. Does anyone know if they should be voltage to the fuel pump if so, what wire diagram will show you that . 

Did you try what Joe h posted ?

maybe you should?

17 minutes ago, Joey Mack said:

Yes sir..  today's price for a target is $300.00.. 

Criminal  ! 

one 7018 welding rod  50 cents / one 6 inch by six inch   piece of  1/4 inch plexi maybe 3 dollars Plus  3 dollar  100% mark up ! Worth 6 bucks! In materials Bit of sweat equity for etching ! 50 dollars would be reasonable !    $300  Not so much! We should go into business making these we could clean up sell for 99.99 ! You could retire from building engines! Become a door to door piston squirter  aimer salesman! 🤣

On 2/2/2024 at 4:44 PM, JoeH said:

It should run longer than that with low oil pressure or low water level. 

If it's the traditional injection pump then I'd suspect the shutdown lever solenoid. 

If it's an EUP engine then you can request Blink Codes by holding the Set/Decel cruise switch until the Engine Malfunction Light (lightning bolt) reacts and starts blinking a 2 digit code to you. Example, code 9-2 is engine shutdown without key.  Commonly caused by a loose EECU fuse, but basically means an interruption in EECU power circuit.

One code is spat out per request. So key on, engine off, hold Set/Decel. When it's done blinking hit it again for next code. Repeat until it starts blinking out the same sequence of codes again. Post any codes here and we'll look em up for you.

Yup its not running long enough to even build O/P ! not an O/P or Low water issue! Do the check engine procedure as joe explains there!👍        60 seconds or so would indicate  a sensor ! Note I have seen stuck engine brake sols cause this on MP engines I know that  this is E7  how ever don't rule out anything! Also check the big round plug at the fuel pump un plug and replug it together several times it may have loose pins!

12 hours ago, Joey Mack said:

That's what I have.  I traced a target on plexi glass 20+ years ago and made mine. Knocked the flux off a welding rod as well..  🤣

YUP! If works don't fix it! Same rig I used for years as well Not sure much changed in that department! keep it simple!

Yup took fan belt off today  get one tomorrow fight it back in! Drive seized to the pump shaft not unexpected!😡

47 minutes ago, Joey Mack said:

yep,  I need to take it off that stand and put it on the wooden engine pallet so I can get the flywheel housing on. I also have to put the injection pump coupler together..  The book i'm using is just 'ok'..  the assembly sequence is not very clear.  I pick at this one between chores and the E-Tech that I have on a stand.  as you know..  I am expecting the new lifters for it soon.  Then I can do the cam bushings and get the cam set installed, run the valves, and get the 3 covers on that one..  I use heavy plastic sheets and magnets to hold the plastic up to protect the open bottom end in the shop.  

Thanks for the comments.  I hope you get a good outcome with your tractor.  Jojo

Nice thing with the e6 you can use cloths pins to hold them up! While the side plates are off!

2 hours ago, Joey Mack said:

I got a bit more done today..  I'm pickin' at this engine while waiting for parts for the other one I'm doin. 

and, NO.. I did not leave it outside.  I just brought it out for good pic's..   

Nice job buddy! Pop that b housing  pan a front cover on and your done! Or are you building a complete?

Joey what do you use to target the piston coolers?

On 12/31/2023 at 12:48 PM, Joey Mack said:

Alright Mechaholic......    This ones for you..  Here are some of my home made tools.  I have used them many times..   See some of us arent fancy pants..    By the way,  ALL of my 7 torque wrenches are ''click type''  not digital, with a beeper..   

Any guess's as to which tool is the best one??     She's polishing the crank journals for me. 

I like the liner mock up tool ! I made one exactly the Same years ago when E7 came out great minds think alike buddy Never had a liner installer always used a bfh  and block of wood for that!

33 minutes ago, Macktruckman said:

Good luck!  
Josh

👍

13 hours ago, Macktruckman said:

Now i just can’t remember for sure and i might be mistaken here but im thinking you might get access by taking a front part of the floor pan out and possibly not have to pull the seat? 
Josh

Well the Friday parts guys are refunding my cash as they could not confirm what cylinders are on here and are to expensive to send back pretty descent of them ! I did a little more research and was able to figure what cylinders are on there and ordered thru Amazon ! So if anyone needs some  Cylinders Brake Master Cylinder D141779 D136837 for Case Backhoe Loaders 580M 580K 580L 590  !

I got em!😁

Thanks Josh ! Ya  I can get the floor out real easy its a pc of stainless just chucked on the floor I'm suspecting some one already has been fighting with this issue before I bought the machine hence the stainless on the floor hopefully we can get to the bleeders from here looks tight and my fat old carcass ain't getting at them!  I have an eager young apprentice that is going to dive in there and give it a go when they get here next week I HOPE! 

Wish me luck that these ones are right ! 🙏  

And Joey thanx for the heads up ! I'm tryin to Deal with places I can get to with out to much political interference due to import fees and BS Im avoiding using sites I'm not familiar  With!  

2 hours ago, Macktruckman said:

Am I thinking right is there bleeders on the slave cylinders on the top of the rear end transaxle?

Me thinks you’re correct !

makes sense! Very lodgical thought! We will see!

1 hour ago, Macktruckman said:

Ohhh i see. Its been 20 years since i worked on a K. I wish I could be more help. 
Josh

 

All Good my friends ! Thanx for chiming in ! if you guys think of anything more don't be strangers .The machine is down at this point till I get this sorted! The main issue to me is the lines coming in are on the top with a bend! upside down U shape so getting the air out may be a chore and apparently the bleeders are under the seat ! hoping I don't got to pull the seat! 🙄 😡

3 minutes ago, Macktruckman said:

I want to say I remember bleeding that k at the line out of the master cylinder but i just cant be sure. 
Josh

Well I ordered from Friday parts and got the wrong cylinders so I’m awaiting their return options! There are several options for this machine and it’s by serial number! I ordered 20000 vin or less and what came was wrong ,my vin is 16000 but I still need 20000 plus the difference is the bore size 7/8?vs 1 inch I need the one inch😡

20 hours ago, 67RModel said:

There are all kinds of cheap shop and service manuals for K series Case 580 backhoes on Ebay. I saw a full set with a parts book for $108. I would snag a full shop manual for it and see what it has to say.

Well going to take a crack at it today and see how it goes!  If it goes sideways well I will order up a service manual ! Its not really rocket science just the steel lines enter from the top with a over 90 degree bend kind of an air trap to my way of thinking! If it were difficult there would be alot more posts on the issue! Hoping for some good luck! 🙏😄  

I know there are a few guys here that  and have run and worked on these !  So I thought id put it out here ! A while back I purchased this unit! the brakes had been pined together so I hadn't noticed that the right hand brake is not operating goes right to the floor and the reisvour is full ! No leaks any where so I'm assuming the Master cyl is toast on that side! I got two new master cylinders and am about to replace them ! Has Anyone here had a go at doing these ? Bleeding them looks not to be the easiest affair so was hoping there was someone here with some tips! I'm finding this machine is a changeover year for a lot of the parts the hydraulics and brakes have different kits for  serial number 20000 and lower !  you can't just order for 580k and get the right stuff! That said I managed to get the cyls for this and thought if anyone here has dealt with this issue they might post there experience ! The Broken Tractor dudes seem to have a good handle on the part situation their selection is good but as far as info not so much on a lot of stuff! I don't have a service manual And there is very little on line u tube stuff! And what there is is in Spanish! Not helpful! 

Thanx in advance!

I know there are a few guys here that  and have run and worked on these !  So I thought id put it out here ! A while back I purchased this unit! the brakes had been pined together so I hadn't noticed that the right hand brake is not operating goes right to the floor and the reisvour is full ! No leaks any where so I'm assuming the Master cyl is toast on that side! I got two new master cylinders and am about to replace them ! Has Anyone here had a go at doing these ? Bleeding them looks not to be the easiest affair so was hoping there was someone here with some tips! I'm finding this machine is a changeover year for a lot of the parts the hydraulics and brakes have different kits for  serial number 20000 and lower !  you can't just order for 580k and get the right stuff! That said I managed to get the cyls for this and thought if anyone here has dealt with this issue they might post there experience ! The Broken Tractor dudes seem to have a good handle on the part situation their selection is good but as far as info not so much on a lot of stuff! I don't have a service manual And there is very little on line u tube stuff! And what there is is in Spanish! Not helpful! 

Thanx in advance!

18 minutes ago, Weston e7 said:

It’s a Spicer 10 speed

I suggest you follow up on the first stuff posted by Joe there! Cheep and easy stuff first !  Also if you can poke around above the trans there and see if the are any wires that could be rubbed together  the torque limit switch is a 2 wire switch that may or may not be used on the Spicer trans! even if the switch is not there the wires likely are and  could be rubbed together ! Is the speedo working? ensure that there are no other switches at play!( Fifth wheel slide)( Air Ride Dumped) those type of switches! I don't recall if these were equipped with these safe guards or not BUT keep them out of the picture by having them turned off!  Note the torque limit will cut the power by 50%!

So what trans is behind this engine is it a Mack trans? Or fuller! There is a torque limit switch that could be at play here on a Mack  trans also ! If there is no check engine light on ! there is something holding back on the power the computer does not see! as joey mentioned grounds and battery / starter connections(top of list) places to start!  ! Note the check engine light will likely be on now due to a miss match code between VECU and The EECU at this point!

Possible Fuel starvation? How’s the fuel pressure! Check you fir tank vent for starters! Check and clean the tack pu on the flywheel housing ! Clean the grounds below the starter all good first looks!