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Found this browsing the auction listings. No affiliation with the listing just thought there might be some interest due to the ruggedness and good condition. This thing is immaculate. Very easy restoration or put back to work. Double frame is spotless.

https://www.auctiontime.com/listings/trucks/auctions/online/213173489/1982-mack-dm886sx

This thing has to be insanely rare. 1964 White Motors 6x6 in original condition. Owned my the federal government its entire life. Original mileage. Price seems steep on first thought but then again its probably the only one in existence. No mine and no affiliation with the listing. Just posting the link for others to see.....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353984459890?hash=item526b1e3472:g:PigAAOSwLEhiRa4i

Does it have to do with the motor mounts you are using and/or where the motor mounts bolt to the truck's frame? Perhaps there is variances in these that are causing the engine block to be located farther back. How much room do you have in the front?

14 hours ago, MACKS said:

could you share where u bought them,that’s an awesome price..

Sorry but it was not me that bought them. It was @BGarofalo that bought them for $580/tire I think he said. I was just agreeing with him that they last longer than the Chinese tires in my experience.

Personally, I run caps on my drives. For my application they are the best solution.  I run very few miles and am operating at fairly low speeds.  They last me a very long time. I purchase Michelin or Continental steer tires when needed.

7 hours ago, Onyx610 said:

Who owns western star now? Freightliner? 

Diamler Trucks North America. Its the North American arm of Daimler Truck AG, which is a massive German OEM that makes Mercedes Benz commercial trucks. Diamler Trucks North America owns Western Star, Freightliner, Detroit Diesel, and the former Sterling brand that was the former medium and heavy duty Ford trucks. I think Diamler Truck AG owns several different brands of trucks in different markets all over the world. 

11 minutes ago, BGarofalo said:

They last a lot longer than Chinese tires.

This. I can't stomach the thought of running the cheap Chinesium tires. Especially on a steer axle. A lot of guys say they are fine but I don't know. Look at the quality of everything else manufactured in that country. Why would tires be any different? They just don't hold up like a Michelin, Continental, Goodyear, etc. in my experience.  

14 hours ago, mechohaulic said:

not much a twin stack  dump truck person, i would take that KW as a 4 axle HD lowbed tractor. growing up on B-81 dumps, never "understood "twin stacks on a dump.

I agree. I still don't understand twin stacks on an inline 6 engine period....there is only one manifold. If its and E9, 3408 Cat etc. I can understand the use of twin stacks with those engines but even those I think join together shortly after the manifolds to go into the turbo. A lot of the new trucks with emissions and DPFs just have a dummy pipe on the drivers side that goes under the cab and is open ended. For looks only. My 94 RD Dump has a factory weed burner exhaust and I actually like it better than having a stack. I don't have to worry about the side of my bed getting all sooted up. Also I think its a little quieter having the muffler down underneath vs. vertically up next to the cab...If had a dollar for everyone who told me to put a stack on it I wouldn't need to work anymore 😂

3 minutes ago, blackdog2 said:

I've been paying for 425/65-22.5 rm-332 .....721.15 out the door front float's Cooper's tax included and no old tire fee ?

I think its a supply and demand thing. A 425 float is a very commonly used tire available almost anywhere. They benefit from commonality and competition of many different brands making them. These 12R24.5s are fairly scarce by todays standards and not many companies make tires in that size anymore. The 12.00x24 is on a whole different level of scarcity yet. I think Bridgestone is the only "name brand" company left making virgin tires in that size at least available here. That's why you see such ridiculous prices on them.....They are the only game in town.

Its funny how supply and demand works. A Michelin or Goodyear in 11R24.5 is about $500 less than the exact same tire in 12R24.5. Is there really $500 less rubber and steel in an 11R24.5??????? WTF? At least you don't need 12.00R24s. They are like $1500 each now.

Man I was just looking at 12R24.5 and the options are extremely limited compared to an 11R24.5. Your basically screwed into $1200/apiece Michelins / Goodyears or some Chineseium brands with little to no information on. 12Rs carry about 550 pounds more in either dual or single configuration over a 11R tire. Have you considered going to a 11R24.5 or do you need the extra capacity?

On 4/2/2022 at 11:27 AM, Vladislav said:

White looks really nice, congrats on the purchase! Is the cab similar to what was used on some Brockways and Autocars?

I am no expert at all on Whites (or Macks for that matter) but I understand the cab is or is a version of the Autocar "Driver's Cab" developed in 1950. When White acquired Autocar they began using this cab on Whites as well as Western Stars. This cab was replaced with a completely new model when the Road Boss 2 came out in 1976 or 77. Volvo acquired the rights to it when they purchased White Motors in the early 80s and was used up until the late 90s or early 2000s. I think the Autocar Driver Cab was still used to some degree well into the 1980s with the White AT64 and possible some other Western Star models. Information of White Trucks is almost non existent and their forum is all but dead last I checked. For a company that was so big information on them is very hard to find. I don't have any knowledge of where Brockway sourced their cabs prior to Mack buying them out.  After that they used versions of Mack cabs. 

15 minutes ago, mechohaulic said:

sanded the block till drum fit. 

Probably got a mouth full of asbestos in the process.....

I'm a Millennial.....36 years old. Most people that know me say I was born 40-50 years too late. I grew up around extensive technology. Had a computer in every grade of school. Learned some programming in college. I use a computer every day of my life now and have a smart phone I use for tons of things but social media is not one of them. I refused to ever get involved with it. I really can't stand it on so many levels I won't discuss here. When I got into trucks as a hobby then as a part time side business I leaned on people I knew who were already in the business for knowledge and contacts. If I needed a specific service or parts or whatever I talked (you know real social interaction) to friends and acquaintances that have been in the situation before. This way I knew for sure of the specific vendor's reputation and abilities. I have the same method for just about any roadblock, question, or need in life I don't have experience in. It has worked very well for me over the years. I'm not hating on people who use FB. To each their own but I don't need it and don't want it.  

Just now, doubleclutchinweasel said:

But, when I find a company whose ONLY website is their Facebook page, I tend to move on.  But, that's just me.

THIS^^^^^^. I cant take anything with regards to Facebook seriously. If your only presence is via FB then I don't need your services.

Years ago at one of my first laboring jobs as a teenager we had one in a 1988 GMC Top Kick dump truck. 33,000 GVW with a 2 speed rear end. I couldn't drive it because it was a CDL truck but everyone who did abused the ever loving snot out of that truck/engine. Always overloaded. Under maintained and just down right abused. Some of the guys did it intentionally because the rest of the truck was just utter GM junk and they didn't like driving it. That thing never missed a beat. That engine would start and run no matter what. The company ended up selling it years later to a farmer who just wanted it for his property. The frame got bad rust jacking and nobody would pass the state inspection on it. Ran like a sewing machine when the guy took it away. That's my only experience with a 3208 but have always heard they were underpowered for their size (10.0L) and not "good" engines.

18 minutes ago, Thomastenn said:

am looking into putting an ai engine harness and e my

I read this as you intend on putting an AI harness and ECM on your AC engine. If I'm correct there's no way that will work. The two engines are different internally. There are some real ASET experts on here that will clarify though. If I am wrong I guess you would just need to find an AI ECM from a truck that has the same series Allison transmission you have.....

Also, I bought 3 axles worth of brake drums, shoes, hardware and wheel seals a year ago from the Mack dealer and I think they were into me for about $2300 in parts (that might have included the shoes core charges). This was for 1 Mack 44,000 drive axle, 1 Mack 18,000 pound steer axle, and 1 Spicer 20,000 drop axle. All Dayton wheel/hubs. I could have saved a little money buying TRP junk but I opted for the Gunite drums and Meritor shoes and hardware. The seals they sold me were SKF. 

Are these the kind of shoes you can reline yourself with brass bolts? I have herd of these but never seen them. Maybe that is how they all were a long time ago. I don't know......

1 minute ago, Joey Mack said:

I stopped advertising a while back because I have many customers, and they keep me steadily busy, and they tell others about me which helps too....... I think that going to local shops and fleets is the way to go...  I can start out with the Mack fleets then as I get more adapters and tools I can spread out..  I guess i'm like a Mack, slow and deliberate..  I am only 1 guy, and I get backed up quickly,  I have 3 customers that I need to visit as it is, plus 3 engines in my shop, and an F-250, and a CXU-613 outside, that i'm fixing the DPF in..  Phewww...  Thanks, 'F'  jojo

More time working and less time on BMT.......😂

11 minutes ago, fjh said:

Joe How do you advertise now  seems to be working? Build it they will come! the thing I worry about is getting stuck with parts bills ! labor only parts supplied by customer cash up front! unless your confident in there ability to pay!

Yea a machine shop have the luxury of holding onto the block until you come and pay for it. With a mobile service like this you are going to the place/person with the engine, doing your work, and leaving. Mail an invoice to them and hope you get paid. But like I said before most shops/garages assembling engines have to have a decent enough reputation to be doing engine work so you would think it wouldn't be a problem to get paid in most cases. May take a while. Net 30 used to be the "normal" payment terms now it seems to be Net 60. There is also Net 90. I have started seeing "paid when paid" as well.......

Also do you have machining spec books and information for just Mack engines or can you do Cat, Cummins, Volvo, Detroit? I mean if you got specs for N14, Series 60, D12, and 3406E/C15 engines you open up the doors to that much more work....

1 hour ago, tjc transport said:

i am still waiting for he drive from home option to be developed and perfected. 😁

40 minutes ago, Hayseed said:

They're Close... It's becoming quite common in the Mining industry Down here .

Yes I agree. Getting close on the road as well. Can't say how I know due to non disclosure agreements but it is a lot closer than people think. The company in particular I am speaking of has the financial backing from Wall Street, some of the largest powertrain component manufactures in the business, as well as a couple of the mega fleets. The biggest obstacle with it all is the actual legality surrounding it is currently very gray considering how many jurisdictions a truck passes through on a single trip.  Most in the business will concede though these trucks will be for terminal to terminal interstate routes....at least for the time being. I'm sure a time will come when everything can be economically automated. Considering how far technology has come in a short amount of time its just not that hard to imagine if you really think about it.