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I agree with you, let them fight it out. But why are chemical weapons still there?

A line was crossed. Like it or not Trump did something. There is a new Sheriff in town.

So why did they stop building the CL, there is no good reason. Volvo did not want to build it, it did not have Volvo frame and other parts. GU713 and GU813 can replace CL713, but not a CL733 or CL753. Open the hood on a GU, no room for a for a Cummins ISX. Volvo does not want to sell a Mack with a Cummins ISX, get over it.

They did, CL 633 and CL733. Can anyone give a good reason why they stopped building them?

I wonder if Mark Fields is working on fix when Ford is flying him around? Bill Ford is working on Ford's return to class 8 trucks in the US.

There is no F-850. DTE Energy has a lot of 2015 and some 2016 Heavy F-750 Line trucks in MI. They replaced Sterling L-7500 trucks. I have seen 2016 F-750 with rear tag axle van trucks. I saw that Allied Van Lines F-750 Tractor on the road, looks good.

Divco plant was in Warren, MI. Still there.

Sterling's are hard too find parts for. Daimler wants too kill Ford and Sterling off for good. I still say 1970 - 1996 Ford L-Series were a good truck. Ford was good at vocational. Nassar in 1997 wanted out of all trucks ( class 6-8 ). I think funding was cut back and Ford did not plan on fixing what was wrong. How could they spend what they did on HN80 and just give up? This man hurt Ford for years. Daimler did put considerable effort in Sterling at first. They wanted Ford's vocational sales, but I think they waited for the right time to drop it and did in 2009. Also a Sterling dealer in 2013 told me the dash's were still not good in 2009. Mack should have taken all these sales. As Kscarbel has said many times there are no real truck men running Mack.

Too bad Ford could not get the HN80 cab back, I think they could own class 6 and 7 with it. L6500 and L7500 with Ford gas, Power Stroke and Cummins would out sell the others. There is only a small market for new Cargo at this time.

Jacque Nassar did not want to sell heavy trucks. He wasted money on Land Rover and Jag. Ford at that time wanted common platforms. Heavy trucks did not fit. Yes Ford wanted KTP for 1999 Super Duty, but they closed other plants a few years later. Super Duty was to be F-250 - F-550 only. HN80 ( 6500 and 7500 ) was to be medium duty also. I saw some in 1996. It looked like the Acterra. Kscarbel is right. Ford did a great job with the HN80, but Nassar and others wanted out of trucks in 1997 and gave up. Ford dealers were upset too. That is why Ford came out with 1998 F-700 and F-800. There was no plan for F-650 and F-750 at that time. HN80 was a good looking truck, but had a lot of issues.

There are too many Rangers out there for parts not to be around. Dealer did not look hard I think. But still 19 year old Ranger still going.

Ford builds what it sells in Ford plants with Ford parts. Maybe they will never be in class 8, but if you buy a 2017 F-650 there will parts 20 years from now.

More badge engineering. Maybe they will bring back the Astro 95.

That will happen.

More talk about FCA and VW on Detroit radio ( WJR ).

Have you ever been around any the 1997 and 1998 Fords? Not well built. Good ideas, not well done. Doors and dash junk. You are right Jacque Nassar gave heavy truck unit away. It was a mistake. There are a lot Louisville trucks still running with no dealer support. Ford built good, strong trucks, look how many are still running.

Push and pull a mixer chute all day on flatwork and you will want a front discharge mixer. Ever pay for a concrete pump for 30 yards?

You do not need 600 hp to pull a gravel train in Michigan. Waste of fuel.

Titans are rare in Michigan. But there are many RW 753 and CL 753 Michigan Specials still around. I drove a DM 800 with a 335 Cummins and moved Cat 235C's and D8K's in the 1990's. DM 800's like that were pulling 50 Ton trains at that time. There are many GU 813's with 505's here also, pulling trains. But dropping the CL 700 was a mistake. Titan needed more power choices, I think.

FCA will not be around in 5 years. VW would love to have Jeep and Ram.

On Detroit radio heard FCA wants to talk with VW.

I still do not think FCA sales reporting on Ram trucks is true.

CNT 950.

Had a 1983 Ranger, 7' box and 2.2 Diesel. Traded in for 1988 F-250, 8' box and 7.3 Diesel. 1988 F-250 still in use. Have a 2009 Ranger, 7' box and 2.3 Gas, 201,000 miles, still using it. Both Rangers used in const work. There are a lot of Rangers on the road still. I think they were well built and strong.

Flat Rock Plant is south of Detroit in Wayne County. I did site work for 2 new home subdivision sites 4 miles from there in 2002 thur 2006. The builders there have not sold a new home in these sites since 2007. Most of the sales at that time were to Ford workers. The owner of the sites told me to look at doing some prep work for a phase 2 of one of the sites. That area has been dead for 10 years. That never was going to happen the way things have been the last 8 years. That is why I voted for Trump.