Red Horse

Well my thought was..."Same mistake as Ford". Ford was a gorilla in vocational market with old Louisville. HN -80 comes out and they are hawking the "large car" market which has always been dominated by Paccar. Had they stuck to their roots and put all their money into that market (vocational) they might have survived-vocational to include non sleeper OTR Teamster slip seat operations- regional distribution tractors etc. Mack has just done the same thing IMO Make makes this big announcement and it doesn't even look like they had a non high roof sleeper on display. I thought the lack of enthusiasm from the dealers -I assume that is the bulk of the attendees -was obvious. I would not have wanted to have been on that stage before such an unenthusiastic group. Then again-I'm old-and drive a B-61X!

Rich-another tank would not have worked??

Good move Rich!. You want some pix of the wood??

So tomorrow is the big day- Will we see a VN with a bull dog on the hood. How about it KSC-any thoughts?

Well just saw a Fox story on the looting and they correctly made the distinction-we are not talking about mothers taking formula or diapers. We are talking about people shuttling back and forth with boxes of "goods" and as the reporter pointed out-most were wearing what looked like decent footware and they were stashing their loot in some nice new model vehicles-no junkers. Two Taurus PI's roll in and that was the end of that but the damage was done.

don't know how many but J.P Noonan has a number of Granite tractors.

Nice-first time I've ever seen a DM with R-4 Industrial tires!

For sure-but wasn't the issue the stone he got out of that quarry up near the MA border? He is now operating in East Haven??? And what is the basis for bis suit?

"experience"-good answer! And maybe a final drive ratio north of 9.00! Spent many a wasted time on 84 when that interchange was done.

EJ-but that guy had a 744J pushing-what did you have?-and where was that pit?

Well I have been selective about what topics I checked in on last couple of weeks as I've been caught up in annual ag fair that makes for some very long days. In a nutshell, what was the straw that broke the camels back here? I have to say TG did have some good insights into a lot of issues.

EJ-Looks like this shot was at equipment manufacturer- who?? Assuming this is a tanker/ (ladders unusual?)

Well the stock closed today at 31.19 after opening at 30.93. Will see what tomorrow brings.

And is THIS the real reason for them to can their own mid range engines? Seems like it is a complete turnaround from previous position trying to be vertically integrated. A good product and you get rid of it?

OK-always thought the blown out back panel was across the board.

What I don't understand is plastic dash with flat back cab panel? When I saw the picture I thought-Not an 83 and "Steel dash" Anyone have a clue???

I think Kevin that the Univ. of Maryland has a significant "fire science" program and has had for years.

Well VERY nice colors if I must say so in any case. I would say "Mack Green" vs. International Adirondack Green

Patsie, Well said and a huge thank you I'm sure from a lot of people for stepping up to the plate. The Wednesday "coffee club" has another star attraction and I'm sure Denis will have a special spot for it! Bob

You would think that such an extensive collection could almost pay for its upkeep if housed in a decent building with volunteers staffing. tourist destination like SF would I'm sure draw plenty of fire/truck buffs

Rich Last year-maybe two years ago one of my kids spotted it on that side road that cuts across to 25. So I stopped in while it was "in progress". Left my card on the seat but never heard from the guy. Last year he had some homebuilt rack body on it-looked like it was all wood. don't know what his next move is. I think he lives in back of the motel.

Like these:

Nothing like exposure on nightly network news to get prompt action.

Rich I do believe you will make Oct 15th!

Probably right after they start building Crown Vics again