Red Horse

Guys-How do you get an old b & w photo into digital mode with such clarity?

problem is cummins is the next worse option. ive heard so many horror stories with 2010 and newer cummins powered trucks that i wouldnt touch one

Like what kind of Cummins issue- just the big one? (15)

things are bad at navistar . ive seen several longtime international fleets switching to other brands. today i saw a scrap metal company that has had internationals for 30 years with a new mack . i also saw a mack cxu single axle oil delivery truck also from a former international fleet. also a milk hauler in vermont that always ran internationals just bought 3 kenworths and 2 macks. navistar deffianately made a big mistake.

McDermontt?

As for the lawsuits, I have to believe they will have an uphill fight. One of the plaintiffs is a union. Duh! While I always hoped Navistar would make it, was I skeptical on their approach? I certainly think so-at least I wasn't going to put a pile of money on their idea as the only thing I kept thinking as they went down their EGR road was..."hmmnn-what does Volvo, Cummins, Daimler know that Navistar doesn't".

Like I said, hoped they would make it but anyone who bet big on them should realistically have known what the odds were-or better yet, that the technical minds of these other companies had other ideas.

More trouble for Navistar. Several suits filed over failed EGR program. Allegation that Navistar misled investors to prop up stock price. As always a win-win for the legal community.

You NY/Vt guys probably know Gorman Bros out of Albany. I was in their Albany yard say 5-10 years ago and noticed a large pile of "scrap". It was a milling machine. They were out on a job and hit a gas line. Operator saw it and managed to get off the machine before it blew. The job had been marked but the story was the gas line was a directional drill job and apparently when they bored it, they hit some hard material and the line took path of least resistance and "bumped up" enough to get in the critical zone. Boom!

Red Horse look at my pics in my gallery we used to have a 59 BC-160 dump. Ours was a crash box 5 speed with a funky shift pattern.

Rob

Checked out the BC-now that was a rare truck. the B-180 was a 61. I also saw your Ford TLB. we had an 801 that had an Eranco driving front axle. that was a rare site in the 60's, was a 4 speed with a shuttle stick. Had a 14' back hoe on it. Good little machine-for its time.

I don't know why but I feel the need to buy this truck.

http://allentown.craigslist.org/cto/3615129436.html

Be cool to mount a 21' rollback body on it. 345 gas with a 4 speed and 2 speed rear. Seller said $1000.00 takes it. Low miles and low price is a good combo.

I drove a B-180 dump in the early 60's when I was in school. that was series before Loadstars. V-345, 5 spd, 2 spd rear, juice brakes. factory GVW of 24,000 lbs. I would routinely CARRY 12 ton of asphalt or graded base! trans had square gears but I drove it like it was a 10 spd, split shifting and the 345 would FLY! Great motor!

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Paul,

Just saw it on 10 O'clock news. ??? looks like level ground? Load frozen on one side???

isnt that International an M model? or was the M model a 6 x 6? i know alot of towns in NYS had M models at one time i think they were state bid. most were speced with 220 Cummins power and a 5 and 3 or 5 and 4 two stick tranny

I don't think the M was necessarily a driving front axle. If my memory is right, it had the same R cab as an F-230 but I think it did not have a setback axle and the hood was a bit shorter.

Is the reason they added more bays is because so many trucks are breaking down? LOL

That Matt is good logic. Bad enough that you have a road failure-Worse when the dealer says..."Can't fit you in the shop till next week"

Let’s go over the history. Ford and Navistar formed the 50/50 joint venture Blue Diamond Truck Co. LLC in 2001 in Escobedo, Mexico to jointly build medium trucks.

The propaganda speak was Ford wanted to tap the expertise of a company known for heavy trucks, while Navistar said it wanted to work with a global leader in lighter commercial vehicles.

But the companies began fighting in 2006, blaming each other for defective Powerstroke diesel engines popular in Ford pickups (injector failures).

The companies sued each other in 2007 and settled 2009. As part of the settlement, Navistar took over 75% of Blue Diamond which continued to produce F-650s and F-750s.

Under the new arrangement, Ford dealers were unhappy with the competiveness of the product (lack of product upgrading) and the way Navistar controlled the pace of deliveries.

In October 2011, Ford announced it will move F-650/F-750 production out of Blue Diamond and back to the U.S., assembling the trucks in Avon Lake, Ohio. Ford’s press release stated “The shift in truck production will mean the end of Blue Diamond Truck LLC, the joint venture Ford has with Navistar to build the trucks”. The release further said “The change was prompted by the business needs of Ford.”

As shown in Navistar’s 2011 10-K, Ford notified Navistar in December 2011 of its intention to dissolve the Blue Diamond Truck joint venture effective December 2014.

So to answer your question, Blue Diamond is over and Ford has moved on. The installment of Clarke as Navistar’s new CEO has no effect on the situation.

Note: The 1997 F-650/F-750 was supposed to share the all-new HN80 cab with the new AeroMax and Louisville, but the heavy truck sale to Daimler changed the fate of Ford’s medium truck range.

Thx for your comments. I just hope Ford has some good performance/oversight language in place. Think of the risk. Navistar is supposed to keep cranking out a quality product while Ford gears up to fight them again head on- in class 6 and 7 and probably vocational class 8 too.

Nice- I was working for a developer in Conn. in early 60's. We had an 801 Ford with a shuttle stick and an Eranco driving front axle. In those days a 4WD TLB was a rare thing. Drive shaft for the axle came out the side of the trans case on the left side, then under the foot rest to the left side of the axle. The tractor was red/gray but we had a new 14' hoe that was cream color with red ford Script. iittle devil would do a lot of work. I found a B & W picture, I'll see if I can get one of my kids to scan.

Took about 5 minutes to put the hoe on or off.

So KSC, what do you think this new guy's view of Bluediamond is? As Ford was International's main competition in class 7 and a worthy competitor in 8, I can't see how they will run the risk that Ford could again be viable. Before the 6.0 "divorce", they had a good mutually beneficial relationship but now-different story.

As to who built the CL cab, it was Sheller Globe.

It was this in between...operated by Catino Loam

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Another Catino Loam B81

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Very good Bryan. The truck was parked on Rt 70 for the longest time-I finally stopped one day to look at it and found out who owned it. Talked to Mike for 45 min and found out it was far more truck than I could afford-told Mike ..."its a shame its just sitting here". His response was- "yah I want to do it" About two years later it showed up at Hudson show-a beautiful job!

Bob- He was also telling me how one of the single drop grocery trailers loaded with motor oil lost and axle on the Cross Bronx. None of the towing companies wanted anything to do with it so him and the other guy went down and jacked the trailer up and got the axle back under it then chained the axle in so it wouldn't move. that was after about 7 or 8hrs of jacking and pushing and pulling. The 2 sister to the trailer both broke in half in North Haven by the drop. he said they use to overload them

Hah-not sure if I remember that one- I only was involved with the "other side" fleet from sometime in 90 to end of 93.

They have more than 40 wreckers for 3 guys to drive. Snow/Rain trucks and Sunny day trucks. They kept most of the trucks they bought.

He said a girl c

CT allows $275hr for a regular heavy duty wrecker never mind a crane or rotator. He remembers that one.ut off the truck and turned herself in the next day because it contaminated the towns water supply. Sunoco rolled one getting off Exit-8 and the bill was $28K without environmental

10-4 on the well. final bill on that one was big 7 figures! I think there were 7 municipal wells in that wetland. Miracle there was no fire- One bit of collateral damage- about 3 days after, clean up contractor was delivering stone with a beautiful Superliner pulling trailer dump-you guessed it-dump went over and nailed the cab-miracle driver wasn't killed.

If nothing else, green will save you a few bucks too!

Didn't he have a nice '60s R-model too. That Brockway has been down here for about 2 years now. A local towing company just bought a tri-axle pete for 750,000 with a rotator. Then you got Plunske with a 1 of 50 Oshkosh aircraft recovery trucks that handles the jobs just fine taking car of 91 in Wallingford/North Haven. Bought it from a guy in NJ who put a 300, 6 speed with new DMM hood and cab

Matt, He did have an older R Model too as BK noted-not sure if it was a 750 on it -but the trucks were always inside-I'm sure these were clean units.

Nice shot of the Plunske truck- when we were kids we used to drive up rt 5 to see all the red Fords parked in a row-he had a couple of nice Super Dutys too-as in F-950 Super Duty not F-350 Super Duty. Wonder what became of those- I saw he had a clean 70's 750 for sale a while ago.

I can't imagine how these guys pay off these new monsters-then again, I think that CH Coady is selling has over 200,000 on it and its not that old- good utilization-then again they don't work cheap-ask your dad if he remembers when we rolled one of the new CH's over on I-93 in like 1991. Coady's bill for that was over 10 grand.

Had to go to Conn today and was surprised to see Red-Arts Garage with the signs all gone and the place cleaned out. In the back of my mind I thought I saw the old Brockway wrecker recently posted someplace so can't say I was surprised. Seems like it was yesterday and these were the guys who handled the wrecks on 84 from say Manchester to the Mass line-with their old single axle "hooks".

Then again, the business has changed. If anyone saw any of the coverage last week of the recovery operation when the bus carrying the U-Maine girls basketball team went off 95. Coady had TWO big boom wreckers on scene-$$$$$$$$$ (Seems like one would have been sufficient) . One of those CH Macks is currently on sale on eBay for 350 thou!

Found this photo taken at the Hudson show online. Not sure if anyone knows about this truck? Saw it at the one show and that was it....

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No clue-that was two or three years ago-never saw it again.

DeLeo Construction New Haven, CT

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Matt- Al DeLeo?

I went out to the website of the Rhode Island Vintage Wiring and found that they do make the wiring harness for the B61,can't be that much different then my B87.Problem is that it's $1200 so I will be making my own.It will be a slower process doing it one gauge at a time but for 1200 I'm in no rush.

Sounds like you have your mind made up but just for kicks take a look at ..Vintagewiringofmaine.com website. Impressive but I hear the product is first rate.