Red Horse

Matt-Looks like it has less of a "disguise" than the US versions-agree with JH-can they be long for this world here in US?

The big part of me buyin the Detroits is product support, Cat Cummins an Mack all walked when I had trouble with there pre. prob's On the other hand Detroit has never left be holding the bag! as well as the dealer Horwith Freightliner in Northampton PA. So as far as canned beer?? ..Don't know, but I'll drink it from the bottle or the tap it all tastes the same ta me LOL!!

BULLHUSK

Well you can't say enough about product support. I say today, does anyone build a truly BAD product? My guess is all are pretty close-key is how does supplier stand behind it. My guess is with supplier components (Eaton, Cummins etc) the truck dealer plays a key part-does he shrug his shoulders and say.."not my problem-Cummis says no"-or does he go to bat for you. I have to believe its like everything else today-everything is a negotiation-shouldn't be but I think it is. the Service mgr that is a PITA on EVERY issue soon finds himself talking to a deaf ear.

But back to the Detroit question-it IS now proprietary to Daimler products only right?

PS-I'll take mine in bottles

So if the Detroits are the best thing since canned beer then Daimler owns class 8??

But hey - whose fault is it that helicopters built in America are expensive, and you need a degree to fix them? I read you guys telling American companies cannot build simple and reliable trucks and you wonder somebody want to buy simple and reliable choppers?

Dang, in the socialist times you blamed the first secretary when the industry didn't make enough of this or that, or if the meat prices were too high. Some first secretary even ordered the soviet industry to design and build the Mi-17 chopper!

Do you want a free market or not?

Best greetings

Paweł

There is probably nothing .."that simple and reliable" in a Mi 17 chopper vs a Sikorsky made in the US or a Mangusta made in Italy. they are all complicated- the point I believe is the Afghans were FAMILIAR with the Mi -17.

My bigger point-don't buy them anything! Not with my hard earned money. History provesthe poit-that part ofthe world is populated by tribes-nothing will ever change them

Now boys be nice to Freightliner. The Germans are very smart. Ford consistently had around 10% of class 8 and probably 20%+ of class 6 and 7. Daimler steals the business for 300 million bucks, runs it for 10 years, avoids dealer suits and shuts it down. that is a cheap way to buy market share.

Now once International is toast, they will own everything.

Ford? Oh the genius behind that?, Jac Nassar, he is long gone-after he squandered millions on buying Aston Martin, junk yards, auto parts stores in England etc etc.

Well the party line answer will be .."because the Afghans know how to work on the Ruski choppers-too expensive to teach them how to fix a Sikorsky".

Bigger question? why spend a nickel on anything? When will we learn? we are dealing with tribes! Nothing will ever change-be it Iraq, Iran etc etc. We wonder why they kill us and we are trying to help them? Hell-they kill each other!

Our town is buying a new rescue truck and someone proposed it being built on a Freightliner chassis. Our town already owns a Freightliner that the state made a deal on and its the worst truck in a all Mack RD fleet. Needles to say i think its being built on a Spartan chassis?

Matt- Spartan Chassis? That means its a "Heavy Rescue". I remember when a "rescue truck" meant something like an F-350 or Cheby 3500 that carried just a bit more than an ambulance-like jaws of life etc. some of the departments around here have "heavy rescues" that are tandems!. Check out Minuteman trucks website and "recent deliveries" big tax dollars at work.

I am in, not a 5 min ride anymore, but still close.

Easy trip

Thanks for the information Bob, will there be any increase in truck registration or general admission? I had heard that there is quite a large difference between what the Elks charged and what the fairgrounds charge.

Mike,

Truck registration will be 10 bucks. Spectators $5, kids under 12 free. No parking fee. Your 761 will look good as it will not be shoehorned in so people can't get a good picture! Also we will have some good food vendors instead of the usual rubber burgers!

Good to know, closer to home will have both trucks there.

Great! spread the word too.

Thx

Loos like it has a V-8 under the hood-so much for "antique" status

Lazaro Paving doing a job at my house today. Class outfit, classic truck 12R-24 Spokes!

Well guys after many years of holding our show at the Hudson Elks field, we are moving to a new location and date. Mark your calendars for Sunday July 13, 2014. We will be at the Lancaster Fairgrounds, Home of the Bolton Fair and the Ty-Rods car show. The Fairgrounds are located on Rt 117, 4.4miles west of Exit 27 on I-495.

As many of you who attended last year's event at Hudson can attest, the Elks lost a lot of their field as the town fenced off a significant piece of property that abutted the Hudson High School and had been used by the Elks. this made for very crowded conditions.

This will not be the case at the spacious Lancaster Fairgrounds so mark your Calendars accordingly.

I am sure Capello's is proud of their CAT tractor and have displayed the truck at various shows. To me CAT trucks win the prize for ugly design.

Jim

How did I miss this post-my guess is Capello got the message from Milton Cat..."Want to make deliveries for us??" Well you know the rest of the story.

Not a Mack, but just as addictive. Picked up another old Lincoln welder this week, went down to Connecticut to get this one. Not a bad deal, she has a rebuilt motor and welds nice, just needs a few small things and a paint job.

Hmnn-that rt. 12?

Mack purchased Savage Manufacturing Corporation in 1989, making it a Mack subsidiary, Mack Trucks of Utah. The resulting Mack FDM-700 model was available in both mid-engined (behind the cab) and rear-engined versions (replacing the camshaft on a mid-engined model was a hassle).

Faced with a variety of challenges, the FDM did not become popular.

Shifting gears in 1998, Mack decided to cooperate with Oshkosh and offer a Mack-powered version of the Oshkosh S Series front-discharge mixer (with a McNeilus drum - Oshkosh owns McNeilus). Oshkosh would assemble the trucks utilizing Mack powertrains.

The new Oshkosh-based Mack-badged truck was called the FCM (Front-discharge-Concrete- Mixer) The original FDM name more logically stood for Front-Discharge-Mixer)

As a result of the Mack-Oshkosh agreement, Mack discontinued production of the FDM in Utah and closed that plant, with production ending in September 1998.

Thx-so my memory ISN't that bad! Is the FCM still offered?

Didn't Mack buy a company by the name of Savage? As for an existing chassis, not a bad thought-why wouldn't that low pro trash chassis work? Have to be able to clear the cab for the discharge end of the drum

Got more pictures here-

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28526133@N04/

Very nice-thx

Great pictures. Just wondering when and where are the pictures taken?

Don't know about the F-850 Super Duty as to location. But the Ford blower is on Rt 2?? And the Athey (I think) belt loader is on a ramp in Hartford.

I tried reading it in a mirror but gave that up like it was some sort of code. I saw the note about the translate button and that helped but the translator is marginal at best...Oh well. They look kind of cool but at the end of the day a Ford is well....a Ford. I'm all set. I'll stick with Cummins and Mack stuff...

Well having bought my share of Macks (R's and DM's, CH's) and while I love my B-61X, I have to say, the Louisville was a good value. Arm rests fall off? Yep-Ever break a frame?-never .

As for these Cargos. I have to say they are sold in some of the toughest areas of the world. If you go to Ford's web site and work your way to Ford Turkey, you can see some big Cargos- dual front axles, heavy rock bodies etc. And they don't look like they spend too much time in nice urban settings!

If Ford ever gets back into class 8, I would hope these trucks provide some good engineering feedback

Good article, I think that it was something about Ford and trucks but my Russian is a little rusty. Where's Vlad when you need him? Finally, saw the translation button.

bulldogboy

Ok Bulldog-your eyes are better than mine-where is the button???

They get $180-$200 per load for the belt conveyor - much less expensive than a pump. Harrison/Old Castle Materials are really in the road building business along with aggregate production, asphalt production and ready mix concrete - front discharge trucks don't seem to do as well for pouring curbs and roads. Front Discharge trucks cost 2-3 times as much in maintenance costs versus rear discharge trucks plus higher initial purchase costs. Still for smaller pours especially around houses and foundations contractors will usually pay more for the front discharge truck.

200 buck premium per load for this thing sounds like a bargain. Kind of surprised the maintenance cost for a front discharge would be twice to three times a conventional. In any case as always, nothing like the right tool for the job. I'm sure there are plenty of jobs were a belt mixer is the most cost effective answer. If had a redi-mix business of size I would think a good mix of rear/front/belts would cover all the bases. Not exactly good from a parts/maintenance perspective but in a competitive business, the customer rules-unless you are the only game in town.

Again here in this neck of the woods (Mass) I would bet front discharge is 3 to 1 on replacements.

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PS Wheeled my share of concrete off the ass end of B-81's, LJ's, A-cars using a "Jackson prime mover" in my youth (EJ- Foxon, Velardi etc)-but in my old age can appreciate the new technology

Looks like tha same old F750 hood with some extra stuff screwed on the front to make it look different to me, I don't see that its any longer, that's the std bumper and its in the std spot, I would guess that is more for underhood testing equipment or room for larger cooling until they get the new hood ready, that wont be how it looks for good.

Actually I saw another picture-on same Blueovalnews thread -of a white 650 with the same hood treatment. Except this picture showed truck from rear and you could see exhaust. Small muffler and pipe-so this said to me this truck was probably a gas job. Also someone suggested this might be some sort of hybrid. Seeing that little exhaust, makes me think that might be a possibility.

Think of it-if we are thinking this was to accomodate a larger radiator-because say there was an 8.3 Cummins or something bigger than a 6.7 Cummins under the hood would you not think it would have a significantlybigger exhaust system?? Not the case.

I'm thinking the new truck will use the Euro Transit glass house (doors, windshield etc) so maybe it has something to do with that.

Where is that East Haven Conn.

EJ- Hah!! Excellent comment- I actually predicted something like that coming from you.