Red Horse

Can we see a pic Bob?

Matt-see if this works

If not,just got to Blueovalnews.com, forums and click on the 750 mule thread

How about it KSC. Any word on the pix of the Ford 750 Mule that was posted on the Blue Oval New Forums yesterday. It came from a SEMA posting . It is a current 750 Crew Cab with a "toy hauler" box. Looks like it has a much bigger radiator as the hood is wider, higher and looks like it sets a bit forward. Some have suggested its an early mule for the Avon Lake mediums but I wonder if it isn't just something they are working on in short term to put say an 8.3 cummins or some Westport CNG motor in the current truck.

Any thoughts? :idunno:

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Matt where do you find this stuff? That one at the top is a TK 6 Michigan. We (Carafa Builders) had one in North Haven except it was a back hoe They had big tubular sticks. The "6" I believe was the smallest Michigan and did not have an engine in the "house"-it was powered by the prime mover-ours was a Waukesha or Continental gas job- 5 speed with a two speed aux. 12 x 20 military type rubber. I was the "kid"- drove machine from job to job

Wonder what kind of premium they get per yard for this service? Has to be a very high maintenance cost unit. then again cheaper than bringing in a pump. In any case I think the days of rear discharge mixers are numbered except for certain applications- like big volume jobs feeding a pump.

But for the average delivery, a front discharge is placing concrete literally the minute the truck hits the jobsite. Once contractors get used to that, they don't want to screw around with some guy backing up to forms, wrestling chutes etc.

The best body style for F-series trucks in my opinion. Here's my '97 350 diesel

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Ah yes-bought 3 new 97 F-250's New Haven, Portland and Chelsea. NH's lasted the longest.

Bob- quite a few F750 boxes running around here for freight

Yeah Matt-but not like the old days when Louisvilles, C-models and even F-750's/800's ruled the P & D business. i wonder if Roadway has finally retired the last of their C-models?

They purchased quite a few between roughly '06-'09 but I believe most of the straight trucks were Freightliner M2's. The Ford cabs were too small and it took a few years to find an air seat that one could actually air up without being too close to the ceiling. There may have been other issues but the decision to stop buying them was heavily influenced by the drivers. This year we had at least 50 new M2's pass through my terminal to be prepped by our shop before being distributed to other terminals.

I can believe the space issue-then again, its a Super Duty Cab. Is an F-250/350 uncomfortable? I don't think so. Then again, maybe P & D drivers don't ride around with their asses on the floor like a lot of idiots you see today just barely peering over the wheel of their "large cars"! In any case, Ford is supposed to be moving medium s back to this country (Avon Lake Ohio plant)from the Navistar JV in Mexico and the truck will be all new-we shall see.

Transport Topics / October 8, 2013

Navistar received almost 5,900 orders for Classes 6 through 8 trucks in September, the highest monthly number since 2011.

Over 2,100 of the orders were for Class 6 or 7 DuraStar trucks with Cummins ISB 6.7-liter engines.

“September orders marked Navistar’s highest monthly order intake for Class 6/7 vehicles in almost two years, which strengthens our belief that the ISB will be the catalyst for improving our medium-duty business,” Bill Kozek, president of North America truck and parts for Navistar, said in the statement.

Navistar estimated its Class 8 order share to have risen to 17.4% in September, up from 16.6% in August.

Industry wide, new Class 8 orders rose 27.4 percent in September over the previous year, the eighth straight month of year-over-year growth. North American truck makers received almost 20,100 orders in September, the strongest total since May and up from 15,780 in the same month a year ago. On a sequential basis, September’s order intake rose 2.3% from August’s total of 19,649. Through three quarters, cumulative 2013 orders stand at 189,505, a 15.3% gain compared with 164,401 in the first nine months of 2012.

2100 CLASS 6 AND 7's with the 6.7. Wow- that is about a third of Ford's yearly volume and a huge percentage over Paccar's vol. I would almost have to say that a big chunk of that number must be a fleet account that was behind the push to get the 6.7 as an RPO? Like maybe Ryder?? Penske?

I realize that Fiat owns 50 percent of Italy's VM Motori. (Ironically, General Motors owns the other half but Americans have not seen any fruit from the joint venture. And now GM plans to sell their half to Fiat, giving the Italians full ownership)

But I think Fiat's Sergio Marchionne is making a mistake here. The VM Motori engine, while fine for future Jeep brand products, is not going to promote pickup truck sales like a Cummins engine would. In the American pickup segment, and particularly at Dodge owing to the history, it has to be Cummins. That name speaks volumes to would-be buyers. And of course, Cummins is the only diesel in the US pickup segment with a stellar track record.

I guess in my lifetime I paid too many bills for Cummins-V-185's V-210'S and Triple Nickels And like I said, only reeason dodge sells vs ford or GM is the 6.7.

IMO this sounds like a bad idea. Volume is king-who is going to buy this for their half tons? Not Ford, Not GM and as someone noted, Dodge will if anything be relying more and more on their Italian connection. This guy Marchione is no dope. He will do whtever he can to boost utilization within the Chrysler/Fiat family. And as for Cummins and Dodge, I say the only reason Dodge sells as well as they do is many people want no part of a V-8 Power Stroke or Duramax and like the 6.7 Cummins.

If they are counting on Toyota/Nissan to build volume, forget it. I would bet Ford probably sells more light duty trucks in a month than Nissan and Toyota combined sell in a year. Oh and Ford if they ever do decide that a diesel makes sense in a 150, will have their own 5 cylinder diesel.

So Green Dash I note an F-750 straight truck in background. Don't see many of those in freight P & D. Is Ford a big customer of Pitt-Ohio?

Heres a few from today. Just got back. going down was a whole another story......

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Matt- Wow- long day-amazed your old man at his age could do that "turn"! Paul's U I assume-got a lot of press! Best part is all the dirt moving out back right?

I'm sorry I missed it- but I have a great excuse....Honest!!!! I have never been to this one, and I was planning on coming this year with Small, Medium and Large. However, as many of you (who are my Facebook Friends) know, my father kinda sorta threw me a curveball- on Friday morning 9/27 he told my mom that he was having chest pains. To make a long story short, she got him to the ER in the car, and 20 minutes later he coded (died right there on the table in front of the Doctor....) They were able to get him back. He was sent right up to the cardiac cath lab, and got three stents installed. He almost croaked 2 more times in the cath lab. He was intubated and sedated until Tuesday. Then after he was awake, it looked as if he may have suffered a stroke or an anoxic brain injury. However he is slowly regaining his memory, and is a lot more conscious, alert and oriented. He is doing very well despite what he was through. I almost lost my best friend....and was not a happy camper there for a few days.

I've been a busy beaver the last week, going to work (which was the first week back after 12 days of vacation...so I had my hands full there.....) driving to the hospital (53 mile ride one way) and taking care of business in my own life......Ready to tear out my hair.

Priorities-Sounds like the tough part is behind you-you will have an even better appreciation for your relationship going forward.

As you guys get excited about milling machines, about a month ago I'm southbound on Mass I-495 around exit 13 or so. Traffic starts slowing. detached low boy is on shoulder like they are going to load something. Then just other side of bridge abutment is Agreggate Industries machine on its side-underside facing the road- OOpps! My guess is they were positioning to load and shoulder had quite a slope to it-as well as soft ground. Don't think anyone got hurt other than ego as only news coverage was the traffic slowdown.

Back to the question about a one foot band every 10 yards?? Assume it is width of roadway? I would guess this was a concrete road that was repaved with asphalt-could they be doing the expansion joints in original concrete that have heaved?

And we thought your where a MACK MAN!!!!!!!!

EJ- I am-but with an appreciation for Louisvilles-great value when you speced them right! Actually when I was forced to take a year off from school and worked for a No Haven contractor I wanted him to buy a 56 T-800 that was for sale-good thing he didn't buy it or I might not have gone back to school! By the way-remember seeing a beautiful 56 F-800/900 that was parked at a house near Blakeslee/Arp/Chapmans yard? I might have bought that if I could have found it.

I'd be willing to bet that the majority of 238's had RT-910's behind them.

A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, a driver would appreciate that setup.

For sure- and it was a big deal to get an air ride seat so you could blow it up to get good vision over the hood-nice feature of R Models and Louisvilles-great visibility-but back then every driver must have been stupid because they did not see the benefit of driving with your ass on the floor and your hat on backwards!

I bought a bunch of LN-9000's in like 73-74 with RT-910's and 238 HP 6-71's single axle tractors that replaced a like number of White 9000's that were Cummins V-185 powered. The drivers considered me a hero.

And as a matter of fact we also had 910's in back of tandem 8V-71s (318's) and tandem NH 250's. RT-910 in my book was a durable easy shifting trans.

PS- want to cry- I think those LN -9000's were under 20 grand! Like I say- "I think"- I also bought LN-8000's maybe I'm getting senile and it was the 3208's that were for that price-either way-cant buy a 150 today for that number

Hah- you guys should see what goes on in a shop near me. Construction equipment- like say a Cat 966. Cab comes off, wheels come off and everything gets slid into a container. Bolts don't come off? No problem-they get burned off. Have to wonder how these guys get some of this stuff back together on the other end.

Back in the 70s Cross Bronx expressway they could strip a car down in minutes .Complete drive train hood doors seats . 60 Minutes did a show on it and tape it with cops driving buy .

Hah-EJ- I can relate-I had to do some "temporary driving" in metro NY in early 70's. I remember pulling a load out of Mt Vernon one day and noticed a nice VW bug on the side of the road with a bunch of people nearby. Neighborhood was decent too. By the time I dropped the load and headed back the car was on blocks and stripped! My guess is elapsed time was under 45 minutes. I'm sure nothing has changed.

In this age of instant communication, should be a quick job for the cops. we are not talking about doors for an "88 F-150" here. Plus hotel would have to have security cameras in place unless it was a flea bag he was staying at.

1958 or 59 Ford C model in a picture from 1964. Also, another truck mounted backhoe. I can't say for sure, but looks like another International by the look of the cab. It has a different fender design compared to the one previously posted in the excavator thread.

Jim

The International is a "B" series-probably a B-160 -1960/61 vintage. I drove a B-180 dump, V-345 5 and a 2. I was a young kid but I drove that better than some older guys and would split shift while carrying 10-12 ton. The truck had a factory plate of 24,000 lbs. A bit overloaded??? And with juice brakes, and 9:00 20 rubber. V-345 was a great motor.

Detroit News reports Volvo is trimming white collar workers to save 620 million. This in my mind cannot be good news for Mack. Sooner or later the bean counters will say..."we can't afford the duplication in staffing".

Hope I'm wrong but......."Monkey See-Monkey Do". (Freightliner- Sterling, White-Reo-Diamond T-Diamond Reo etc)

By the way, some genius at Detroit News who put the story together posts a picture of a Volvo S-60 sedan with the article. I bet he is having a bad day.

That for sure is NOT a 58. It is a 59 or 60 and is an F-800 IMO. The guy that Matt is talking about in Hamden Conn. goes by the business name of Chuck's Trucks. I thought I picked up a card of his at the 2012 ATHS National in Springfield but can't find it. Old Ford trucks though are his specialty.