Finally some DM progress

[Geoff Weeks]

Look around the spindle where the seal rides, does it look to be one piece or is there a ring pressed on?

What seal did it have? Stemco (leather) or something else?

If it was a Stemco, you can remove the "wedding band" and use a unitized seal in its place. 

Something that old, I wouldn't want to say for sure. I know the English buses had a replaceable thick ring the seal rode on. I know the old felt seals (grease, not for oil) rode on the axle housing directly.

If it does have a ring, to remove it, take a blunt chisel and hit the band in two places 90 deg from each other, you want to deform and expand the band, not cut it, and risk damage to the spindle that can leak.

[Joey Mack]

It looks like the seal was installed with RTV and when you pulled the hub, the inner part of the seal stayed behind.  Like GW said,,,, dont use a sharp punch to split it.. you will mess up the spindle. 

[mowerman]

All right, thanks fellas. I was thinking more of parts of availability and where to look I have to leave. I gotta go pick up my wife’s car in the shop. I’ll get back with you guys. Thanks for chiming in

[mowerman]

Inside of the seal looks like it’s leather 

[mowerman]

Got a few minutes I’m waiting on the shuttle. It also has an outer seal. I’d like to replace them both. I don’t know why there’s an outer seal?

[Joey Mack]

The seals are still available 

[Geoff Weeks]

Likely an old Stemco, and we are seeing the "wedding band". That is good news, as you can remove the band and replace with a modern unitized seal.

[Geoff Weeks]

Outer seal was used with greased bearing in most cases. I think there is one where one bearing is in oil and the other in grease, that was mentioned a while ago on this site. I never saw that in my time.

[mowerman]

2 minutes ago, Geoff Weeks said:

Likely an old Stemco, and we are seeing the "wedding band". That is good news, as you can remove the band and replace with a modern unitized seal.

Excellent yes that is good news. I have a feeling that is a band on there. I’ll tell you one thing the hub and the drum are both a filthy mess.

[Joey Mack]

A,  B model that i updated had an inner seal, and the outer bearing was greased, the inner was oil bathed. Hence the seal you have.. post a picture of inside the hub.

[mowerman]

The seal definitely looks like it was replaced. It doesn’t look old enough to be original.

[mowerman]

I drove this thing home and I bought it. It was not leaking originally.

[Geoff Weeks]

1 minute ago, Joey Mack said:

A,  B model that i updated had an inner seal, and the outer bearing was greased, the inner was oil bathed. Hence the seal you have.. post a picture of inside the hub.

Glad to get confirmation that my short term memory isn't totally shot!

I thought I read that on here.

[Geoff Weeks]

5 minutes ago, mowerman said:

Excellent yes that is good news. I have a feeling that is a band on there. I’ll tell you one thing the hub and the drum are both a filthy mess.

Take one of your old tube type rims and make a fire pit. Put the hub in the pit and wash all the oil out with diesel or kero, then wash with Dawn somewhere else, put some wood in the pit and have a fire to get rid of all the evidence! 

Edited 2 hours ago by Geoff Weeks

[mowerman]

OK, that’s just hilarious. I was actually thinking of mixing up a bunch of dawn with a big scrub brush annd an bucket and just have it roll it over towards the door where I could keep hosing it off.

[mowerman]

Still waiting on the shuttle I should’ve just took the bus. The bus stop is like one block from here and it’s just a fluke the city  bus stops right in front of the repair shop.

[mowerman]

Only takes like 20 minutes to get down there. I’ve already been waiting an hour.

[mowerman]

OK, I just went out and took a peek. It definitely looks like it has a ring around the housing which was a pretty clever idea on somebody’s part. Looks like about a 16th of an inch thick.

[Geoff Weeks]

That is good news for you. A good coupla hits with a blunt chisel and it should come off.

Wear rings are a great idea, made for something that is going to need service, unitized seals goes a step further, and makes the seal and wear ring all in one piece. 

You should have good luck getting it all sealed back up, regardless if you use grease or oil.

[mechohaulic]

2 hours ago, mowerman said:

Got a few minutes I’m waiting on the shuttle. It also has an outer seal. I’d like to replace them both. I don’t know why there’s an outer seal?

OLD SCHOOL.

[mechohaulic]

1 hour ago, mowerman said:

OK, I just went out and took a peek. It definitely looks like it has a ring around the housing which was a pretty clever idea on somebody’s part. Looks like about a 16th of an inch thick.

stemco used the two piece seal configuration which required a ring installer and seal installing tool. to keep in competition  with manufacturers such as C/R having the one piece spin within it self seal ; stemco came out with the "spin within itself version. :NOT needing tools for install. light oil outer rubber ring =install with palm of your hand. all though said to be "prelubed"; personal preference was to oil inside of seal while in hand spinning seal within it self. far as the outer seal which not going there again; outer seal on axle hub not needed.  keep on eye on leakage from wheel hub itself. some weren't best casting then, grease didn't leak through . change over to oil ==== you will know of poor casting.