Mackpro

hello guys we have on our company 3 ibc tanks from 1000 liters whit def thats the easy way to do and the cheapest way our chef says we can only tank def at our company and only in emergency at the gas station.iff you run out off def its a offence in europe you have a economic offence and the lawofficers can see that in your computer the price is about 1250 euro for this.so you dont forget to fill the def tank.but the best way for trucking companys is to buy there own def tanks.greetings rene MACK FOREVER

In the Netherlands do your engines have DPF exhaust filters on the and the SCR systems or do they just have the SCR system? How is the SCR system been working (breakdowns)? How long have you had SCR overthere?

Ahhhhhhhhhh...... no. We have had alot of trucks get struck by lighting around here (farm trucks parked in fields) and it always fries both ECM's and sometimes the ABS ECM and the AM/FM radio but never have we had a wiper motor screw up for lighting striking. My buddy was driving his CL when it got struck and it blowed the RH rear out side tire off of the rim and fried the ECM's but his wiper motor still worked.

Terra is the company that makes it (TerraCair) I don't have any part numbers at the moment either...

At a Mack SCR meeting we had a month ago, they showed us the 2 gal jugs and a 200 gal (I think) collapsible tote with pump that we could get. This truck I think was a Mack show/test truck as it had no company name, no engine tag and had lots of chrome on it. It did have 22,000 miles on it. The driver didn't talk much only to say he liked the truck.

I saw a few of them at Uptime...

Get ready to stock Exhaust Fluid! LOL These units also have a replaceable filter on the reservoir along with an integrated pump that will probably go bad often!

The driver asked we had any DEF or know where he could get some. We did not know. I called Mack and asked for a part# and the guy said "Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........call back tommorow" We would like to have a few 2gal jugs just incase.

We had our first SCR truck to stop in, it had a ABS fault. Driver really seems to like it. It looks just like a regular CXU with a MP8 except for the SCR tank and SCR unit. HP is now up to 505 instead to 485 and tourque is up another 100+ ft lb. to around 1770.

was driving in a thunder storm about 1:00 am and my windshield wipers stoped working. i pulled over mesed with the switch got nothing rain eased up. so i took off, after 5 min. or so needed a wipe so i tried em again and they worked. only had to go another 5 or 10 miles and they worked fine, i thought they had trpped the breaker and it had time to kool off and reset, but i was afraid there was a problem, called the mack store to schedule a repair, didn't want to get caught out in the rain so to speak. when i told the service manager what happend,he told me a close lighting strike would cause that, and there was nothing to worrie about. it was hard to believe, but so far i havn't had any more problems. any boudy else ever heard of this?

The wiper motor itself had a thermal circuit breaker inside of it. In 2004 they lowered the cutout temp in the motors. We had a driver who would leave his wipers on when it was just misting outside. The somewhat dry windshield was to much drag for the wiper motor and it would pop the thermal breaker and then reset it self again. I talked to a Mack engineer and he gave me a part # for an older motor with the higher cutout temp and everything was Ok after that. I dont have that part# no more, lost my notes. We replaced alot of motors, switches and also check the linkage as it goes bad and makes the motor work extra hard and could overheat.

The last CL I was able to find had a build date of 9-11-06, these were CL733 with IXS Cummins, the truck were listed as a 2007 model year. Never hear of a CL with a MP engine. We have a few CL's with 60 series Detroits around here. I'm working on a CL with a 490 XT in it right now, one of the best trucks Mack ever built.

This is to MACKPRO68, can you tell me why Volvo puts shims in this kit? It definitly is the same axle and king pin setup.I understand that mack says no but I now have the volvo kit here in front of me and it has shims in it. Is this in case the surface in the spindle that the bearing cup sets on wears or is this just another way for volvo to make more money? There has to be a reason they are in the kit. Just looking for more insite and trying to learn. thanks

I got out my Mack FXL overhaul manual to double check and read it again. Still cant find any thing about shims, no pictures or mention of them. I pulled it upon the parts dept computer and it too showes no shims. We are a Mack only dealer and the last time we ordered parts to overhaul a FXL kingpin (about 3 months ago)we had to order all parts separately. There was no kit available, at least for us Mack guys.

Its a CH613 built on 9/28/00. It came with a 355/380 but was later upgraded to a 400hp. It shows rockwell trans and rears. It was a fleet truck with 23 others built along with it, all 23 exactly the same. I can find out more if needed.

Does your leaf spring shackles and front spring pin have grease fittings? If not, you have the Maintenance-Free spring pins. There is a Mack service bulletin "SB131006" about converting it over to the greasable style. It involves buying new springs, pins and shackles. We have done about 5 or 6 and it really improves ride or so the drivers say. It also gets rid of that loud "pop" noise at a low speed turn where the spring slaps the shackle. I just realized this is for CXN only models and you have a CX, let me do some more checking as they might have this for a CX.

There is no shims on an FXL axle. I talked to an engineer after we had some with out of spec play and he said after the top bearing and race get worn in and mated, you need to retoruque the top nut. After we did this all was good. He said Mack had alot of kinpins replaced under warranty when there was nothing wrong with them other than they needed to be retightened. 95% of the ones we tore down, there was nothing wrong with them, just retighten top nut. The warranty on most FXL axles is 3yr/300000miles even on most dump trucks.

The cup issue has slowed down alot. We are now starting to see the cup issue with the older 04 emission MP7 (non DPF). I did 2 of these in the last 3 weeks. On Saturday we towed in a 2010 (non SCR) CXU with 2 blown cups/washers. This truck was on its 2nd or 3rd trip (very low miles). The engine had all the new stuff in it. We think it was improper tourque on the injectors. The new parts (injector washer and hold down and download) have seem to fix cup issue. We have never had one come back that we installed these parts on. I dont know what happened on the 2010 CXU, I hope it was just a fluke.

I have done everything I can think of to get this truck to pull better or atleast get better fuel mileage and nothing works, I have ran overhead, changed fuel pressure reg, changed fuel pick up pump, changed after cooler,changed boots, nothing seems to help getting a little less than 4 mpg and losing 10 to 20 mph on normal hills loaded or empty, is this normal for an e-tech e7 427 ?

What year truck and what model? Has the problem just started or has it always been like this? Truck sounds really weak. CH and CX's should get at least 5.2 or better and the dump trucks RD and CV's should get in the mid to high 4's at worst.

What about any software upgrades for a 2006 cv713 with a AI-427? I see throttle response updates for other models and stuff, and I was wondering if there was any type of updates to help my truck run better. It seems like when the motor makes the most power, you have to shift. What are you opinions on this motor? Good bad?

Yes, the AI engines have updates for poor throttle response and it make a big difference. The Mack dealer could also send in a HP change request form to Mack and see what it would cost to go to 460HP, sometimes just a simple download. Most 427 and 460 have the same exact engines just different downloads. Have you changed tire size since truck was new? Most AI engines have a narrow torque curve and if you upset it, you will feel like you have lost power. 4.17 rear gears and tall 24.5 tires are a no-no, we had to change out some ring gear and pinions before. 4.42 and 4.64 with tall rubber work good with these engines. 4.42 seem best but 4.64 are good but you lose some top end MPH.

Here is the wiring for the radio on an MR, hope is is clear enough.

Very simple setup. plastic bushing in the bottom and a wheel bearing race at the top. Take the nut off the top, knock the king pin out the bottom. Install new plactic bushing in bottom and race in top of spindle/knuckle. Push new kingpin up through the bottom, put new bearing and nut on kingpin and tighten to 563-689 ft lbs. On the sealed wheelbearing hub , tighten it to 664-811 ft lbs. I can fax you some pages out of the book if needed.

We have in stock and sell steel chrome bumpers for most all CH-CHN and CX and CXN's. We are a Mack dealer but the ones we sell are not Mack brand. The chrome steel bumper is cheaper than the factory plastic one.

I have wiring diagrams for both MR and MRU's and can give wire #'s if needed. Just need to know if its a MR or MRU. Last 6 of vin # would help also.

I thought SCR/DPF was mandatory to meet 2010 EPA regs. Maybee 2009's were just mandatory DPF.

The other day they were building both SCR and non-SCR truck on the assembly line. Back a few years ago the EPA would let Mack build up 3 months worth of (dirty)engines to use the next year (during an emission change) . I think we had 3 months of non DPF MP7's to use up when they were really suposed to use the DPF engines. It might have been the EGR years ( 03 to 04 ), I cant remember exactly. We had some Mack Powertrain guys come down and we had a diner and they put on a slide show about SCR and it dont look all that bad. Our MP8 485 is now 505 HP!!!!!!

Hmmmmmmm........ SCR at last. We just ordered 2 new GU's last week and had the option to get with or without SCR.

really???? what kind of recalls , cause i have a 09 granite mp8 and i havent seen a recall yet.

Most all '09 models have all the updates/recall already done (or upgraded in production)before they get out the factory. The only recalls I have seen for a few '09s was the "tilt steering recall" and a couple of different downloads for PTO switch and injector pressures. The regular problems we do see on the 08-09's are driver side fan belt tensioners going bad (not falling off but off tracking), clutch brakes breaking internally, AC/heater blower motors going out(bad design, cowl drains plug up and water pours in on the motor) and a few winshield washer motors and pumps going out. Most newer '09 have the self cleaning (purge valve) 7th injector for the DPF and this really cuts out the manual cleaning of soot off the 7th injector. Most '09s around here are doing very well, good MPG and no low power complaints.

Well with vovo screwing up MACK, Cat has a good shot at taking over Mack's turf....f#&k vovo

We have already been threatened by several customers that they will ditch Mack and go with the CAT dump trucks on their next group buy. Mainly due to MP engines (injector cups,fuel filter stands DPF problems), AC/heater blower motors and cab/engine wiring issues.

We have a few guys around here running the Blixton box and they are very happy with the results. It looks just like the one in the previous post. Plugs in between the injection pump and engine wiring harness.

Quick question about the cooling... will the engine derate if it gets hot??? if so does it slowwly derate or just shut down? also can the motors be programmed to accelerate a little quicker to full power? I've got 2 "vulva's" with poo tanks one is an STC l-10 with ht 740 was a real pile until I played with the pump changed button, set aneroid screws up, I got lucky with the settings because I didn't get any smoke but sure gained some power, was originally a 260 i'm guessing its at least 350 now.. the other is an ism 305 and also ht740 allison.. that truck is alot "snappier" than both the etech 300 and the l-10 was... hoping to get some snap from the e=tech. as far as cooling I'm not concerned.. the cummins allison combos barely get the trannys to 180 our load cycles ussually go as follows.. 1 to 10 mile trip to field 3 minute unload time in low gear. empty return trip to pit (no load on drive train) and 2 to 5 minute get loaded timing. plenty of cooling time. besides my other trucks are all macks with t2060's and turned up e7's maybe pushing between 350 and 400, al long as we keep the radiators cleaned out we have no problems.

For some levels of software, there is a throttle responce program that can be downloaded to help with poor throttle responce. We usually install these programs into 2003 and up ETECHS, it might be avalible for your 99.

mackpro68,

you were exactly right...thanks for the tip....the canister was completely full of the gooey stuff(and the oil filler tube when i changed the oil last week)...no milky stuff though...the wire screen was full of water when i squeezed it....the blow by tube was even full of the gooey stuff...should have known something was up bc i was noticing the gooey stuff coming out of the blow by tube and landing on front axle/suspension parts....why would there be water in the wire mesh filter? i noticed after i put it all back together i noticed i had a few drops of water from the blow by tube...also what causes the gooey stuff? the truck runs at 180 degrees...but i will be doing alot of idling (4-6 hours) while waiting to dump by grain at the elevator

Low oil temp will cause water to codense in the oil. You want the oil temp to get above the boiling temp of water (212 degrees)so it can evaporate the water. There is a Mack service bulletin on this. I see alot of guys complaine that their oil temp is to high. Your oil temp should run 45degrees hotter that your coolant temp. On farm truck and short hauls the oil temp might not get up high enough or stay up long enough to "steam"the water out. Might have to change the oil more often. If you have a air fan clutch,you can have the fan programed (ETECH engines) to come on at 205 and off at 195, thats how we set them here and seems to help.