niphilli, not to get your dander up, but do you have a cdl? have you ever driven a all Mack truck on the highway or offroad? Well I have and they will wipe the slate clean compared to the competition on or off road. The major problem here is v#^&o has no respect for anything, let alone a great AMERICAN icon. Who here wants to buy a sodomized truck. The Mack transmission is an amazing creation, and the rear drives are beyond comparison. We are constantly seeing a slow erotion of the product that we all have become to rely our livings on. And now with this move they have hurt the American working man, building,driving,maintaining and selling the truck with the closing down of the plant and moving out . Plus they have alienated any customer that would like to buy anything in the future. I realize that vulva, is doing this to increase the market share. And to increase dividends for the stock holders etc. etc. etc. but dammit they are stepping all over the American working man by selling us a half rate product under the guise of a true American icon. Whats next Mack trucks made in china sold in the U.S.A.? ohhh wait some of the parts are all ready coming in.