1949 Type-45 Oil Filter?

[Pacifica Pete]

Hello all!

Does anyone know what filter cartridge fits in the engine oil filter on a 1949 Mack type-45 fire engine (Continental ENF-330)? The filter housing sticker is still partially readable, i think it says model F4-45, built by FRAM for Mack, but my searches for that have not yielded definitive results.

Pete

 

 

[Geoff Weeks]

F-4 is the housing number, cross to (old) NAPA number 1006 for the element.

DIM:

ht: 5.007"

OD: 4.094

ID: .533

Gasket number: 5017 (old NAPA)

DIM: 

OD: 4.736

ID: 3.687

thickness: .062

Check those against what you have.

Cartridge lube metal case filter.

 

[Geoff Weeks]

Crosses to a Baldwin P41

Wix the same with a 5 infront.

[Brocky]

 You might have to find a parts house that stored the old books out back and an old man who can read them!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Geoff Weeks]

5 minutes ago, Brocky said:

 You might have to find a parts house that stored the old books out back and an old man who can read them!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, what exactly are you calling me? I'm and old man, and have the old books (when I can find them!) somewhere I have an old Fram book, but reached for what I could find, NAPA (Wix) book.

[Geoff Weeks]

P.S., if the size checks out, I wouldn't even bother checking an autoparts store. I would mail order through Grainger, Zoro or Amazon, or whom ever you like.

I've had to do that getting Michinna canister filter, on my 1942.

[Brocky]

2 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said:

So, what exactly are you calling me? I'm and old man, and have the old books (when I can find them!) somewhere I have an old Fram book, but reached for what I could find, NAPA (Wix) book.

Goeff, you are my type of parts man!!! You still have the books and can read them... Sadly ALL of new new kids can NOT!!!!! If your VIN number is not in the computer they are lost.. A few years ago the Car Quest man here in town got me a water pump for  my 55 Ford F-600 with a 239 Y block only because he still had his old books out back..

[Geoff Weeks]

9 hours ago, Brocky said:

Goeff, you are my type of parts man!!! You still have the books and can read them... Sadly ALL of new new kids can NOT!!!!! If your VIN number is not in the computer they are lost.. A few years ago the Car Quest man here in town got me a water pump for  my 55 Ford F-600 with a 239 Y block only because he still had his old books out back..

Brocky, just pulling your leg a bit. The REASON I have all the parts books is because I asked for them because parts guys couldn't (wouldn't) use them. I either got them from the parts house or wrote the mfg and asked.

 I explained I worked on old or really odd equipment and needed the "buyers guide" as well as the regular parts catalog. 

 For some inane reason, mfg digitized the main catalog but discontinued the buyers guide?  The buyers guide contained drawing, specs, and pictures, all helpful when trying to find something that works. While most counter guys couldn't or wouldn't look at the buyers guide some did. THAT is the important info to put in digital form, as it is expensive to publish in book form when many never used, but cost little to have in electronic form.

I have lost some of the catalogs over the years, I don't know where or how they grew legs. I had one for brake wheel cyl that would list by casting number, so if you had a NLA cyl but the casting was still in use, you could buy and bore out to your size, same with brake pistons.

Have one for piston rings where you can find rings by size and shape/type. Got rings in this country for a Gardner that way.  

[terry]

I can remember years ago i could walk in to local mack dealer and tell them what i needed, they would walk back and bring out whatever i needed,  they even had a injection pump rebuild room, not no more.    terry

[Geoff Weeks]

Here is another way to research part that I learned from the school of hard knocks. 

If the military or the government ever stocked the parts, it will have an NSN (national stocking number) assigned to it. Often this will bring up places that will not sell to the general public, however if you drill down on the NSN number often it gives all kinds of detail on the part. 

 For example, I needed a spring for the Hi Torque type brakes used on the K series IHC trucks. Although I was un-successful in finding a spring, I did find the wire gauge and number turns as well as the spring force of the item. From that I could have one made.

 In another case it lead me to a whole bunch of cross over numbers to try, and I was sucessful finding N.O.S seals that are no longer in modern catalogs with this method. The outer bearing nut on the axle has a seal that rides on the axle flange to keep oil out of the greased bearings. The seal is replaceable on the nut, but IHC never sold it separate, so I had no part number for the seal, but by digging through cross references, and the NSN, I was able to find the nut and the seal numbers. From that I was able to get enough seals to replace all in my "fleet" of K's. I also now have many seal companies numbers for those seals, should I need more in the future. 

Takes a lot of time, and going back and forth with cross-over numbers, because sometimes mistake are made, best if you can get two verification that the numbers in question do cross to the same or third vendor before assuming.