ThaddeusW

I stumbled upon this nice trailer the other day and gave purchasing it some thought. I just don't have the room for it. I figured I would pass this on to others who may be looking for an old lowboy that isn't too long to hook to their tractor. Pass this along to anyone who is interested.

It was used to haul a large forklift, the company installs boiler systems and does their own rigging. There wasn't any name tag on the trailer, he says its either a Talbert or a Rogers (maybe neither). Its either a 60's or early 70's model but it does not have Maxi brakes on the axles so it might be 1960's. Its pretty damn solid, needs new wood and has a few rust holes in the diamond plate on the rear but no visible rot of the main beams. Has a pony motor that doesn't work (you could put a new engine in) and was bypassed to hook to a wet kit. Its missing a glad hand but other than that its ready to go, it was last used 2 years ago. Its about 30 feet long with a well that's about 16 feet, and the deck is rear detachable . Tires are 15" on the classic 15" six spoke hubs, not sure of the actual tire size though. Not sure of the capacity but it might be anywhere from 25-35 tons. Would be good for hauling antique farm tractors or smaller trucks/equipment. Still road worthy.

Its Located in Farmingdale, NY 11735. That is on Long Island.

The company is moving its operations to a new location and they want to get rid of the trailer within 2 weeks.

They wanted 5000 but will settle for 3, MAYBE less. And its important that you make your decision by November 15th! The guy I spoke with was a nice guy, told him about my Mack and said he would love to see it in action picking up the trailer, too bad I just don't have the room. He loves the old Macks as well and drove a friends B model with a Quad box a few times. He said he would rather see someone put it to use rather than scrap it. Its rare nowadays that someone actually cares about saving a piece of trucking history, even if its just a trailer.

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Not the best pictures.

I'll look at it when I'm up there in Dec.

They need to have an offer by Nov 15th. They are moving shop and have to get rid of it. The guy did tell me that is someone were serious and put a deposit on the trailer, they would hold onto it for a month or two.

I've got a 240" wheelbase....all I want to do is knock maybe 2' out...take it down to a 215" or 216", which is what I had been looking for when I stumbled on this one. It had every other spec I wanted, and the price was right....so I compromised on the wheelbase.

I was quoted $2500 to cut 2' out of the frame and rejoin the front & back, but I'd rather not do that. If I'm going to change the wheelbase, I'll get new frame rails....so until I can afford to do that, it'll stay right where it is.

Wait, they were going to cut 2 feet from the middle and weld the rear section back on? Never do that, remove the axles, cut the rear of the frame down 2' and then slide the axles back under.

You could always park the truck on the trailer to save room.

LOL stop giving me ideas. Seriously though, I gave it thought and Ill have to pass. Maybe someone else can buy it and save it from the scrap heap.

OUCH.

lotta good buys there,,too bad im always scrounging for dough.lol.bob

We should have a BMT lottery pool. The power ball is what 245 million now? Id buy a commercial lot with a building big enough to house a shop and some trucks then build a house on the land to live in. No one can bitch about derelict trucks then (on Long Island many parts have community boards that dictate how your property should be, facists)

Thad, If I remember correctly you have two other issues being the broken parts on the tag and highway gearing. You can solve all three by rolling a camelback under it and ending up with a very usable truck. On a side note, did you make an offer on the trailer?

I have thought about going to a full tandem. The thing is if it aint broke, don't fix it. She runs good and I am happy with that. However, I am not going to rule out that upgrade entirely.

I gave it thought and I just don't have the room. I am going to inquire about the price when I take lunch in a few minutes. Its such a shame too because it looks solid, not bent up and I like that it still has the old school 6 spoke 15" hubs all around. If I could rent a cheap parking spot for it that would be an option. But Id rather know the person who owns the lot. I have heard a few horror stories about stolen trucks and trucks getting scrapped because the lot owner lost the truck owners number and needs to clear the lot to sell the land. If it was cheap, and I had a parking spot I would seriously consider buying it.

But like everything else its another project on my plate. So far I have a 61 Mack and a 48 Clark forklift to work on. If I did get that trailer, it would be last on the list for restoration and would sit around for a while. And I am sure my current 5th wheel is shot, the slider track is heavily rust pitted and the whole thing is frozen up. I don't know if I can truly trust the 5th wheel as of yet.

I have been working on the air system for the past few weekends. I have some extra air lines that I am going to eliminate as well as move some poorly routed lines and add a few couplings so I can air up the system from an external compressor or get compressed air from the brake system.

The only two sources I have found that sell air brake tubing is McMaster Carr (expensive) and anythingtruck.com. anythingtruck.com is pretty cheap and they carry a full line of nylon and rubber tubing as well as valves, dryers etc.

Anyone know of another source, one that carries a full line of air brake hose/tubing and valves, parts etc?

So the other weekend I finally got my forklift delivered. It needs a distributor so it doesn't run. To make a long story short I had to drag it off the trailer with the B. It sat over the winter and one of the front brake drums rusted solid to the shoes. I had a hell of a time getting it up the driveway incline, had to jack the front end up with a pallet jack to get it rolling. Its so damn heavy that i finally ran out of traction and the left rear wheels started spinning. The lift is sitting in the middle of the yard, not completely blocking everything but its in the way.

Its a 6x2, one axle is a lift axle and I am a bit worried about traction on soft ground (Eg. at truck shows on grass or dirt). I was wondering what it would take to install a locker on the diff. Does the entire carrier have to be replaced? Or can one add a locker kit to the existing diff? Or should I not worry about it?

I have a neway gauge that was part of an unused neway lift axle control. Its not new and might have to be cleaned up a bit. Its not illuminated but does have the 1/4 NPT male pipe thread.

Now that has me thinking (and it hurts). DEF is made with urea, something like 75% urea - 25% water. Sooooooo can't you just pee in the DEF tank to refill?????????

There is urea in piss but not enough to actually reduce emissions. Urine is 95% water and has a range of chemicals in it in addition to urea. Plus DEF is something like 35% pure urea and filtered water. Urine would also probably damage the catalyst due to the other crap mixed in (including dead blood cells).

Besides have you ever pissed on a fire? That alone should discourage you from trying

Give Dennis Meehan a call, he told me he could sell me a B model power steering kit for something like 2 grand. Don't quote me on the price though. His website is www.oldmacks.com, it says on the front page not to call for parts but I would call and inquire as this is a kit he offers.

Mouse balls make good ammunition. Just get a length of 1" pipe, air tank and 1" ball valve. Connect pipe to valve, valve to tank and fill tank with air. load ball and fire.

Thank god for the optical mouse.

I've been thinking about converting one of my older 12.7 Detroit's to Natural gas, I've kicking this around now for about a year or so? I got a chance to look at a NJTA NG powered bus one day an got to thinkin why not? It burns clean, and I don't think we would need all of this new EPA stuff on the motor, and it is cheaper then diesel, we have enough of it in our Country for the next 300 years! So i guess the big question is.....Why are we not pushing for this? So I turn to you guys on the site for your thoughts an ideas an anything else that comes to mind.

BULLHUSK

Diesels don't have the compression required to bring the NG up to its auto ignition temperature. I know in order to get alcohol to burn in a diesel, the compression has to be raised to something like 30:1 or more, a huge amount of pressure. There are/were engines from CAT that were hybrid engines, they ran on diesel but used propane or NG injection right into the intake manifold and used a bit of diesel to kick start the combustion. I remember ratios of around 85/15 gas to diesel fuel ratios were possible. If you ran out of gaseous fuel the engine just switched to full diesel.

sniff sniff....We got no Bone Suckin Sauce here......all we get is Ho Made Sauce...

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Ewwwwww. Its bad enough that they pedal their bodies but do you really want to eat their "hot sauce"?

Who the heck had all that loot and let it rot? How gone is far gone? What kind of B stuff does he have.

Im in for $100 as well. When I read the post, I was upset. Then the seller turns up saying he didn't have the heart to export it. Amazing turn of events.

Joe, you did the right thing. I as well as other will try to help you get this truck to the Mack Museum and kept on American soil. Thank you.

Also of note: there is a website called kickstarter.com that helps with stuff like this. We can use it to pool the dough, buy the truck and get it to museum.

After reading the transcrpt of the speech I see these are the main parts.Help Teachers keep their jobs, help Civil servents keep their jobs, help companies hire more people (to do?), help Union workers keep their jobs with shovel ready projects, renew unemployment to creat jobs(?) and help the banks and mortgage companies with their bad loans to creat jobs. Now we are going to colleges to sell the the package. Is it just me who hears nothing but "blah, blah, blah not my fault" or what?

He is one of thousands of people in the government. And lets not forget the two party cry baby kindergartners that do everything they can to screw over the opposite team (congress). He is in charge but does not have absolute power, that power lies within congress. The president can come up with the best or worst plan but has to depend on a building full of social degenerates to pass anything.

I have zero faith in anyone who is elected, honestly I do. Because no matter how good they are, the countless thousands of morons will make them look bad.

Republicans = antichrists bent of destroying this nation

Democrats = hippies bent on regulating it to death

Nobody wins.

I am familiar with the number you posted via the Mack dealer here who said the (409GC157) is the one we need and that the (409GC167) is for the turbo version. The Mack dealer also states that at least to the best of his ability and knowledge that the bolt we need specifically is no longer available through Mack or aftermarket sources available to him so far. Really know very little about the motor any more than it is supposed to be a 250hp, V8 Mack naturally aspirated.....finding parts has been very difficult, one machine shop locally found main bearings in Mexico because we couldn't find those any place else. If you have any other sources or places to obtain parts for these motors, we would be glad to hear from you. They are a great running motor when they are running, but they are problematic. This motor is in an off road haul truck, thus it is getting severe duty application. Thanks for the input thus far!

What truck is this, an M15, M20, M25? If its used for a daily worker have you considered an engine swap? Moving to a newer more modern mechanical engine may be the way to go. A 237 Maxidyne should fit nicely and have all the torque you will need. Parts are easier to find as of now.

Engines will break down and when they are that old and rare, its gets increasingly harder to find parts as time goes by. If that engine blew up and was beyond repair, then what? I say look into the cost of a swap. You might be able to get an old truck with a 237 for around 3000 USD. Better to upgrade now than chase a crank shaft or pistons/connecting rods down later on.

Thanks Paul!

My truck does not have a low air warning device. I figure it was not a requirement in 1961 so it shouldn't be a big deal. But I plan on cleaning up the air lines soon, few leaks behind the dash spewing oil out little by little, its a mess back there. In the process I figure it would be good to have a low air warning wig wag or similar device.

were low air warning devices required in 1961?

Do I need to update the system and add one? (from my tires post, 41 chevy posted a list that points to yes)

What low air warning devices were common in those days? I know of the wig wag that is mounted to the roof and would drop down if the air was low, were there any others?

So I was looking at the tires the other day and I noticed something. The cracked tire is on the passenger side, both of those tires are re-caps. I didn't notice it until I moved the truck the other day and noticed the tire had a joint running across the tread. I then noticed that where the tread meets the sidewall, it looks like glue. You can see the smeared glue in the picture. The tread is in great shape but the sidewalls are bad. I couldn't understand why the side walls would deteriorate when the treads looked so new, now I know why. The drivers side axle has non recapped tires. Odd mix if you ask me. The steer tires sor not recaps and look pretty good.

I know this question has been asked a thousand times but what is the general opinion of retreads? I know that you should never put them on the steer axle but other then that they should be fine. How much cheaper are they, is the saving significant? I might throw a new set of 4 matched decent used tires on the drive and forget about the whole problem.

It sounds like he is selling it as a working truck. Not that it cant do the job but It may be exported to who knows where. I hope someone gives it a good home.

Thanks for the replies. I figure I can keep them on unless they are a huge problem.

10R22.5 is the tubeless equivelent of the 9:00R20,but unless you are going to be hauling loads with this truck or running up and down the highway everyday,I sure wouldn't worry about those weather checked tires unless they were on the steer axle,but that's just my cheap ass opinion.I've wore tires out on trailers that looked worse than yours.

If for some crazy reason I get pulled over, will the bears have a field day with these tires?

Beautiful truck,and sounds well set up. Many,many happy miles waiting for you there. Are you planning to work it,or will it be just "recreational therapy"?

Speed

Thanks for the kind words Speed. Its just therapy for now. I am working on it for Gerharts.