Red Horse

2 hours ago, RoadwayR said:

You will see that sort of reinforcement on most trucks with frames that dip down under the cabs, non straight rail.  The International/Chevy medium  duty doesn't need them, those trucks have a regular straight rail class 6 chassis.  The cabs on those trucks do sit higher, however.

Here in "salt country" I would prefer that.  And the International/GM's do not seem noticeably higher than a Ford or Mopar-but I'll start paying attention😎

22 hours ago, Red Horse said:

I think the reason they don't offer a Super or a Crew now is because  the frame has an added reinforcement under the cab.  I understand that reinforcement is the same thing they use on 550 regular cabs that are used for bucket trucks.

They really need a bigger frame.  But it would make a good mini pumper or brush truck.  At 22,000 GVW vs 19500 for a 550 assuming you used the same equipment that a 550 would normally have allowing for some added tank weight, ypu are talking about another 250-300 gallons of water.

Well today I noticed a long wheel base Ram  rthart had 10' box on it-van than it not dump-I think it was a 4500 or 5500.  And guess what -I noticed a frame reinforcement clip iunder the cab that extended back about two feet on frame-very similar to F-600

As Dirty MM said, it is not good for ones temperment.  My wife is on it big time and I can verify, not good for ones moods.  

On 12/14/2020 at 1:26 PM, bulldogboy said:

Strange that the F-600 is only offered in a regular cab. Ford is big in the emergency vehicle field but most want a Super Cab or Crew Cab model.

I think that the F-600 will be big in emergency services but it needs the larger cab.

I think the reason they don't offer a Super or a Crew now is because  the frame has an added reinforcement under the cab.  I understand that reinforcement is the same thing they use on 550 regular cabs that are used for bucket trucks.

They really need a bigger frame.  But it would make a good mini pumper or brush truck.  At 22,000 GVW vs 19500 for a 550 assuming you used the same equipment that a 550 would normally have allowing for some added tank weight, ypu are talking about another 250-300 gallons of water.

3 hours ago, Red Horse said:

And to confirm, if you have 11R -24's you are screwed!???

Screwed in the sense you  find new 24's, decent used ones  or you change your hubs.

And to confirm, if you have 11R -24's you are screwed!???

I guess the lesson we learn here is that there was some "independence" when it came to the guys that punched those plates😎

The 600 K by the way is on Cape Cod, is a 237 5 speed, with rubber bushed rears-5 spoke so I say  34's or 38's?  Has a back of cab crane- I think its a Hiab.  frame is junk.

Beauty- wondering about horns?  thought it had horns on roof? then I'm thinking no spring pacs-so juice brakes- then I see what looks like air lines coming up in back of cab???

And the answer is.....😎

By the way very nice and unusual setting and backgrounds-whose oil terminal you next to?

Always did think those F-800/8000's were a good looking truck-and they did well around here even when the Louisville came out.

9 hours ago, RoadwayR said:

I have noticed that the only 'trucks' Farley and Cannis ever mention are the F-150 and the Transit.  Maybe because those are the only profitable vehicles Ford manufactures?  Electrification is coming and it will be big, but I think these guys are putting too much emphasis on connectivity.  What can Ford do with connectivity that any other OEM can't also do?  I remember when connectivity in our company trucks was the 2 way Motorola.  Then it became the MDT computer dock.  Now it's a holder for an I-phone.....    

Agree 100%.  Not so much on your profitability  comment as I  have to believe that they are not losing money on everything else.   But when you are grasping for something to differentiate you from the competition you will grasp at anything-even though there is nothing revolutionary about your product.

1 hour ago, Vladislav said:

Does anybody know which model of car this girl seats in?

Vlad..What car?😎

Thx guys  for all the responses.  All good info-stay tuned.  By the way, this 68's original owner was a rural mail carrier in PA. Per second owner who was a relative, day he got it he pulled the back seat and left it in plastic bag.  I am I think 4th or 5th owner-I knew for sure at one time🤪-when I got it seat was loose in back and in a plastic bag. Talk about stop and go!

6 hours ago, tjc transport said:

^^^ this^^^

it works a lot better than you would believe.

TJC....?????

Well not sure where to post this...in any case, I know there are a lot of very knowledgeable gearheads out there so here goes.  Have the trans/transfer case out of my 68 Bronco as well as clutch.  Then for sure rear main is leaking so ad that to list.  My son  then says.."you can't leave those valve covers on" so what a mess that revealed.  You would not believe the sludge in that thing. Again a 68 289 that has about 64,000 miles on it.  I bought it in like 94 and then  it sat in my barn from 98 until now.  I always used 10-30 GulfPride but previous owners probably were using 30w.

Any suggestion as to best way to do a reasonable cleanout of top end.  Couple of guys have suggested .."leave it alone".  The screen on the oil pick up looks good.

Note I said "reasonable"-I'm not taking that motor out.  

Appreciate any suggestions

1 hour ago, other dog said:

Yeah, me either.

Likewise.  too much energy spent on that subject IMO.  Then again maybe that is a reflection of my age😎

8 hours ago, mowerman said:

Out here some of the old timers call them California wheels... don’t know why but someone told me they were invented there ... bob

Interesting- I always thought of spokes as an east coast item.

9 hours ago, 41chevy said:

Dayton Spoke wheels. Kind of generic now like Xerox for copies

For sure on generic.  I always thought of Dayton as a brand- I refer to them as "spokes"- or as some say "wobblers"😎

1 hour ago, 1958 F.W.D. said:

 

Red Horse: All fire dept aerial ladders have outriggers, just like a crane. See pics below with descriptions. 
Brian: Two sets, see below. 


Factory demonstrator which the salesman brought to us a few weeks ago to "try out." This demo is almost identical to our truck 
A truck very similar to ours (also seen in the pics of the original post.) Note the outriggers which are connected directly to the torque box, which supports the aerial cradle and turntable (at the top.)

The demo seen with the two sets of outriggers deployed. 
 

For sure on the outriggers-should have thought of that.  Only issue then is WHAT the outriggers are sitting on.  I hate to tell you how many tree guys around here have put big new cranes (and bucket trucks) on the ground because they really didn't pay attention to what MIGHT be under the outrigger or they should have used a larger pad

On 11/26/2020 at 12:11 AM, 41chevy said:

The holding company of International Trucks and IC Buses named Friedrich Baumann as president of Sales, Marketing and Aftersales. He will oversee the full range of commercial processes for customers and dealers. Baumann, who joined Navistar from Daimler Trucks North America in 2018, previously was president of Aftersales/Alliance Management. Baumann continues as liaison with Volkswagen AG's TRATON Group. The holding company for Volkswagen AG's truck brands works with NAvistar on purchasing and powertrain programs.

TRATON in January made a  $2.9 billion bid for the 83% of Navistar stock it does not already own, which was accepted late this year. 

 

Baumann succeeds Michael Cancelliere, who is retiring after 40 years at Navistar.

"It is crucial that both our dealer network as well as the brand are growing and moving in the same direction to serve our joint customers better than anybody else," Baumann told FreightWaves in a December 2019 interview.

Returning to The Fold

Robert Walsh rejoins Navistar from Sears Holdings Corp., where he was vice president and chief procurement officer after 15 years at Navistar.

He will be vice president of Emerging Technologies, Strategy, and Planning. That includes managing a partnership with TuSimple to bring a Level 4 autonomous truck to market by 2024. Walsh also will lead the development of Navistar's newest business unit, NEXT eMobility Solutions as well as the Strategy and Planning group steering the Navistar 4.0 business strategy.

Walsh formerly was president of Navistar Defense, 70% of which Navistar sold to affiliates of Cerberus Capital Management in December 2018.

Traton adds Navistar's global operations, including Brazil, Mexico and the Global Export business, to his portfolio. Christman continues to oversee procurement, product development, manufacturing and supply chain.

Persio Lisboa will be Navistar's President and CEO after the  new year.

 

Little inside knowledge (and $$$) on the deal from Baumann??   Paul

But very fluent in German!

44 minutes ago, 1958 F.W.D. said:

A quick side-story about my confidence in selecting HME as our builder (we received six bid proposals.)

I wrote the majority of the specs for the truck. One of the suspensions I called out for in the specifications was the Hendrickson Firemaxx, a proven suspension in the fire industry. So naturally when HME submitted their bid, I suspected they would have called out for their suspension. Imagine my surprise when they suggested a Raydan air-bag assist walking beam. My jaw hit the floor. I called the salesman and said "WTF?" Apparently he didn't see that either and said he would make some phone calls. 

He calls me back 2 hours later and said he spoke to the lead engineer- they called out the Raydan as they believed it would be a superior suspension for our particular application. Imagine that- a manufacturer calling out a competitor's product because it would be a better fit. That was one of the things that sold me on HME as our builder. 

Very good example of building credibility.  Be interesting to understand why?  Is the Firemaxx air?  I know nothing about aerial ladders but if I was 85' up a ladder that was perpendicular to the chassis would I want to be held up by air bags or a stack of steel springs- I think I would feel better with steel springs😃

Thx-very interesting.  About how many employees work in that plant.  Judging by all the trucks in the shot of the green F'liners, plant must have some serious sq.  footage.  So "Hendrickson" chassis for non-fire  use are still built?

6 hours ago, mowerman said:

antiques are usually in a different category...non commercial use.....you will probably be paying alot less than you expected...good luck...bob

Bob-

The poster IS an insurance guy-he is trying to come up with a value on the vehicle before he quotes insurance rate.

32 minutes ago, 70mackMB said:

l always heard, A-P-A stood for "Arthur's Private Army".     .....Hippy

Hippy-very good-never  heard  that one-but I'm sure it was pretty close to  the truth.  

Well the Mack community lost an old customer the other day when Arthur Imperatore died at age 95.  Coming back from WW II, he and his brothers started A-P-A.  Their red Macks were always very visible in the Northeast.  In today's WSJ...."Under his stern direction A-P-A prospered, partly by fending off mobsters and taming unions."..."The trucking industry," he sometimes said, "is not to be confused with Sunday school".

I do believe we have a few members here who drove for A-P-A.