Geoff Weeks

36 minutes ago, h67st said:

Front brakes are optional; some of my trucks came from the factory without them. If necessary, you could plug the air lines and go without them.

My Brockway front shoes were NLA, and these guys relined them for me. Did a nice job, and good prices.

Brake Materials & Parts Inc
800 Sherman Blvd
Fort Wayne IN  46808 
Phone: 260-426-3331 or Fax: 260-424-1331 or Text/Photo 260-437-6543
Email: BrakePartsSTOP@aol.com
Website:https://brakematerialsandparts.com/

 

Front brakes were optional on TRACTORS, at one time, I believe straight trucks need front brakes regardless of year.

Edit, my bad, I thought this was the firetruck thread.

Yes, I have it. May be a day or two before I get it to the post office. I am knee deep in a few projects.

What I got:

some defects in the chrome top (bubbles but still in one piece)

IHC part number but looks similar.
 

same deal as the speedo, you pay shipping and it is yours for free.

2 minutes ago, Kreager said:

 

 

If it's normal to have pressure on both sides of the cylinder, despite what is being selected, then I must be losing air pressure somewhere on the low side causing the high side to take over?

I have no idea on Mack if it is normal, I was just saying it can be. In any position does the non-rod side not have air?  The rod side can have air at all times in some applications, but the non rod side must be vented in one selection at least. The only way the piston will move out is when the rod side has air and the non rod side does not. The rod side has to be at a higher pressure than the non rod side to move the piston away from the trans case.

14 hours ago, Kreager said:

 

 

 

My questions are:

1. What would cause there to be positive air pressure on both the low and high side of the range shift cylinder at the same time? 
2. Is my range selector valve failing and creating blow by to both low and high supply lines to the range shift cylinder 
3. Does anyone have a part number for the range shift valve for my truck (see attached photo taken before I cleaned and removed it)?

 

 

 

Kreager 

 

1st let me state, I have no experience on the Mack transmission in question, however I can answer your 1st question.

Yes it can be normal to have pressure to both sides of a piston, Eaton does this on theirs. Because the rod takes up some area on the rod side, that "working" area is smaller than the other side, so when pressure to both, the piston moves to the rod side direction, when the back is vented the piston move the other way.

I drove a IHC firetruck that had that shift pattern, also my parts Fleetstar did also. odd, but not on common. 1stwas really low and not used when on hard pavement.

36 minutes ago, Jack Mack said:

We just did both points and condensers on ours but are planning on doing one electronic and just select  that ignition. I assume you have a fire truck, with (L-R-Both)  ignition switch. Life will be simpler electronic …Jack

I don't know how they do it on your engine, but a lot of duel ign engines are designed to be run on both, all the time. They will run on one, but with reduced power.  They are "starting the fire" at opposite sides of the cyl, and when you only burn from one side, power is lost and economy goes to hell.

I have a duel ign Buda.

I am not a fan of "all under the cap" electronic ign. May be it was 'early days" but many had trouble with them failing.

I am working on fitting a Chry reluctor to a Delco dist. If I ever get the project done (I'll post here, but don't hold your breath) then any remote control ign box could be used.

For a "hobby/show"vehicle that doesn't see many hrs on the engine, points will last a long, long time.

several hits on the net for That

Norther rad is about a grand, a few others in that price range.

I used to have some pin type shoes in 4" but when I looked in my core pile, all I could find were 15x4Q's. I much prefer the pin shoes on the narrow  steer brakes. I forgot all mine were the more common 15 x 4

My 90 deg is square drive, so that will not be a help, my "777" ratio box is tang drive but I don't know if the parts interchange with the 90 deg, or not, I suspect not.

Hippy's place or other speedo shop would likely be a better bet.

Mack wasn't the only one to use seals and greased bearings. There are a number of ways it was done.

Checked to see what I have.

I have a 777 ratio box and a plain 90 deg but it has 5/8" threads and those look to be 7/8's

Another thing about "swaps" is they are never simple, yes the cut-off may not be that expensive, but then there is all the little stuff that adds up like driveshaft changes, frame splicing if not trying to bolt in.

Getting replacement drums made may be the most expensive brake job you ever do, but as long as the shoes can be re-lined (shoe table not damaged) and the wheel cyl castings are not damaged, it still may work out cheaper in the long run.

You are then left with something that is factory and not butchered, not only is it correct, but down the road it will make other repairs more straight forward.

Take time to assess what you have now, and if drums are the only hurdle on the rear of the truck, I would advise getting them made. You may be able to "hook up" with other looking for those drums to make a "group buy" to bring the cost/unit down.

Just looking though Webb's catalog, I find 3 numbers that match the pilot, mounting hole and brake spec's but not surprising all are being discontinued.

I found a few "hits" on those numbers, but unless you find one sitting in someones warehouse that they want to get rid of, it looks like Durabrake, is your best bet in this country.

If you are having one made, then they should be able to make an exact fit.

Problem with changing rear axles, is IIRC this truck is on juice brakes, so that would preclude swapping a more common and likely air braked axle.

I would be looking for a minimum of 2 no matter the other one you have is still in one piece.

Other than the above spec's the most important will be the hub mount to brake shoe measurement, that has to be close or be able to be machined to that spec.

13 hours ago, Joseph Cummings said:

Just go see Mustafa the brake drum maker. Take him the old one and he'll hook you right up.

 

The next video you post will be another shop putting the Cummins block back together!

https://www.durabrake.com/brake-drums/

In there "About us" section seam to say they make drums to order and prototypes

Give us the two measurements I asked for and see what can be found. we already know it is 15x 5 brake. needed are the bolt hole circle and the pilot diameter.

Paul, the dual gear starts on pg 62

https://www.rhsheppard.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/92-Series-Sheppard-Power-Steering-Service-Manual.pdf

I'm getting old, that is 4k more than I paid for my last cabover (drove it home) and 3k less than I paid for my other two, which didn't need anything to go to work.

Everything is more expensive today, but is why I always kept my "cores" and rebuilt when time permitted.

Glad I could be of help.

Make sure the line between the double check and trolley valve is not "crimped" anywhere along its run.

Yeap, that is the double check, the outlet is the pipe connection that looks like it connects to a tractor protection valve.

The reason it fixed it is because without all the air line connected the flow out the exhaust was higher and that was enough to get the shuttle to move. It sound like it was "sticky". It may work for a long time or it may fail shortly, but at least you know where it is and how to fix it.

Doesn't look like fun getting it out of there, however.

Output from the trolley.  It goes to a T valve where the higher of the two inputs goes to the output (double check). Right now it is not sealing so air can come from the foot brake, back feed up the line to the trolley and since in its normal position that is open to exhaust, the air flows out the exhaust.

 Another way to test it is to build full air pressure, fully apply the trolley, then step of the foot pedal. It shouldn't leak until you release the trolley valve.

Input to the trolley should have system air, output should be 0 psi with the valve in the normal position, and of course the line you already traced just dumps to under the hood. 

With the air built up, if the line you crack loose at the trolley has pressure, that is not the one you want, if you crack it loose and it doesn't have pressure, then remove it and plug it, then test the foot brake to confirm the problem has gone away. then trace that line to a valve with three lines on it.