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In a way I can see them stopping mack manual transmissions as automatics are taking over but why would you stop offering Eaton manuals ?  Arrogance and ignorance 

It would be interestingto see if it's possible 

15 hours ago, TimberJack said:

Ok I've had enough of this motor in my 2004 CH613. I'm not putting anymore money in it. I was looking at trucks for sale this evening and I ran across a 2007 CH with a ISX Cummins. So the more I got to lookin I found more macks with the isx cummins. Does anyone know where I can find the wiring harness that goes from Mack to Cummins. 

You can't put a isx in a CH have to have a CL . The truck your looking at must be a CL.  

1 hour ago, boyd509 said:

Logtruckman, can you post photos from the Ballard Mack Calendar?

Yeah I will .

This is a nice one for sale do you guys know the story mcdevitt has it tell me the story guys ? 

6 hours ago, bbigrig said:

If I'm not mistaken.......

The Granite and Titan both use a reinforced cab shell.  It has more structure to it in case of impact damage.  The reinforced cab can only take the old style V opening Mack used on older sleepers. Pre 99 without the full cab back wall cutout.  The reinforced cab oak optional on Pinnacle day cabs I believe but standard on Granite and Titan.

The current factory sleepers would not be compatible needing the full back wall opening if I remember correctly.  Could be wrong though.

Thanks for the explanation . 😊on another note I've heard of maybe a mp8 550to 575 hp rating coming soon hope it's true . 

39 minutes ago, bbigrig said:

The bunk issue was the same argument over and over again.

The first Titan delivered in Canada had a stupid looking aftermarket bunk on it and was published in the Bulldog magazine. Engineering was the excuse that never went over well.  Friggin joke.

Another thing I wonder is why can't you get a bigger sleeper on a Granite  or why can't you get a 20 k front axle in a Pinnacle boggles my mind and then they wonder why there market share is so low. 

1 hour ago, Lmackattack said:

Yes the CL had engine options early on but I recall them very limited after just a few years? they also had sleeper options. 1/2 the CL's I saw had big bunks yet the titan had no provisions for a sleeper. when Mack years later did put out a Titan bunk option it was a very sad attempt to think OTR heavy haul drivers only wanted to live out of a flat top small 36"? bunk ... Back to the CL, Seams most were delivered with a E9 but not uncommon to find other power options. Then when the E9 went away I think you could only get a cummins for power. the point im trying to make is when the CL was released it had decent engine power and cab options. The Titan did not.

I saw far more CL's out on the road than I did Titans. However when the CL slowly went to limited engine options they failed to attract much attention. Fast forward to the Titan , it was released on the same platform as how the CL died off.  I just do not understand that concept

More about the CL I'd say 80 or 90 percent of them had e7 engines I've seen alot of them with 350 hp e7 alot with 427 and 454 and 460 . For some reason in 03 mack decided to only offer them with cummins isx I know this because we had 2 trucks totaled in 03 by a suicide car driver. We were looking into new trucks and the sales man said only cummins in the CL from now on. They did offer the signature 600 cummins in 2000-2002 as a stop gap for the loss of the e9 but you could still get the e7 until 03 . I always thought they should offered the mp 8 in the titan as cheaper lighter alternative to the mp10 in hindsight the titans work great for us but most applications there just to big and tall ,they were never meant to be a high volume truck if I recall mack planned on building about 100 to 200 a year based on serial numbers I've looked at it guess they made about  1000 in North america but I might be wrong on that I would like to know the total production numbers of the titan .

Kind of all comes down to modern day mack doesn't know how to make a truck people want . You almost always have to compromise to buy a mack ether pay more money or get less hp . We loved ours CL' s but ours were all e7 powered very durable engine but horrible engine brake and mediocre power. The etech ones weren't that durable though. Anyway mack doesn't really have a clue how to make anything but dump trucks and garbage trucks . 

9 hours ago, Lmackattack said:

Again this all comes down to options... Mack historically was built and sold on the fact that they built the whole truck. "Mack Western" opened up non mack component options that at the time seamed very popular. I think Mack could have kept better pace if they would have grown on the Mack Western idea.  The 70s ad 80s must have been a great time for Truck MFG just based on the classy photos I see of trucks of that day... I think the downfall for mack was in the 90s, they did not stay on the cutting edge with style or drive train options. Seams thru the 90s all they had were R models and the CH. The CH is a rugged truck but it parted ways from American styling and was only sold with Mack power. The CL was a good idea but again limited engine options if I recall.  fast forward to today Mack again has their premier Truck (Titan) with lack of options. It does not have sleeper options or off breed engine options . It is just amazing to me they basically continued on their same sales platform of the last 2 decades. What Truck MFG in this day thinks their premier Truck will only sell with limited Engine and Cab options.  They really missed the boat on the titan. not sure what they can do now to fix this

Actually the CL was offered with alot of options the first few years e7,e9.caterpillar 3406,Detroit series 60 . Sleepers and axle and suspensions of all ratings and vendors . 

I'd have to try out a mp8 to know if it could satisfy our need . I've heard they have good power . My previous truck was a e7 460 xt 487 hp 1760 torque  . It did the job but in real steep situations off road and on town highways you had to be on your game because if you screwed up and missed a gear you'd be all done it would fall flat if you didn't shift at the right time .my Titan I have the confidence I'll make the hill without a problem . I drove. E9 before the 460 and I had that confidence I have now. That's why I'm leary of the mp8 I. Those hairy spots will it perform. I weigh between 100 to 110 k all the time

28 minutes ago, Bullheaded said:

Still I've yet to see any official announcement of anything getting dropped.

I've only seen the same press releases that Kscarbel2 has posted.

We have to wait and see . I'm sure there's been some blowback from dealers . Even though Titan didn't sell well I'm sure at least some dealers liked having that option on the table .

We had a CL glider built in 07 with a remack 427 it blew the turbo on its first load 

There's no way that's real that's a photo shopped 😁😂😅😓 I hope people don't believe that lol

I've been thinking about this for a week now, if volvo corporate ordered the d16 /mp10 to be stopped why would mack. Have to stop  building titans why not just start installing mp8 and cummins x15 . Keep the line going maybe give the Titan a face lift new hood design with superliner2  inspired lines and rename it superliner 3 bingo sales boom . Hey but what do I know . 

1 hour ago, Bullheaded said:

I can't see why we can't get the 550/1850 rating for the MP8 over here.

Is the 505 c+ with 1860 torque available in a granite ? I know back a few years ago you could only get the 505 maxidyne which was rated at 1700 torque I think . 

Swishy, yeah, the grill stays in place when the hood tilts on ours. But there was a different grill you could get that stayed hooked to the hood.

Bullhead, yeah, the filters under the cab stay clean. I've only changed mine once in 150k miles. I checked them not long ago and they're still clean. 

9 hours ago, bbigrig said:

I think Mack will be focusing on the product lines that sell.  Granite and the Pinnacle or its soon to be released highway update.

Sales are down right now and it may be a good time to shed the model lines that are not selling so hot.

 I'm surprised to hear that the D16 is being cut.  I'm seeing more Volvo VNX spec trucks up here lately and Volvo seems to be marketing that model up here pretty heavily in the last few months with videos on YouTube and literature. 

I was thinking Volvo killing the Titan they would just push customers to the VNX.  That changes things if the D16 is being phased out. I was of the understanding it was still offered with 2017 emissions engine lineup.  Guess not .

 

This whole thing is odd like you said volvo had the d16 on their websites and press releases as certified for 17;mack did as well.  

The main rail on ours is bigger than our superliner and CL . They are measured in metric units but I think it's like 7/16 thick. The inside rail is smaller. They're deep as well. Triple frame was an option as well.

9 hours ago, Bullheaded said:

This doesn't surprise me. I've been pricing Mack's for next truck, but prices are way out of line. So I showed dealers the 4900 Star I spec'd, same as my current one, but with the DD16 600.....fully loaded, leather interior, heated seats, full gauge package, dual breathers, light bars under cab and on breathers, air ride, etc.

What did they counter with? A rubber block Granite with the base interior, low back seats, no gauges.....for 20 grand more, LOL.

Ya.....I wanna get out of my loaded truck to get into a plain jane fleet spec. NOT.

99 percent chance our next one will be a western star 

2 hours ago, Dirtymilkman said:

My trucks will have 58,000 pounds on their back as a STRAIGHT truck. Gross 91,000 lbs. This on a approx 40 foot truck. The ONLY truck I have driven and seen comparable was a Western Star. It had a Detroit and weighed about a ton heavier than my Titans.   It sat just as high too. Paccar, granite, Freightliner and IH do not make a truck as rigorous. Sure I could buy a t800 and double the frame  but I promise it will not handle as well or last as long. 

Yeah I've been on the scales at a paper mill next to western stars with dd 16 's and set up basically the same as me and I'm a little lighter . There's alot of myths about titans out there but it's water over the dam now. 

3 hours ago, bbigrig said:

I've driven several and worked on them.

I'm not a small guy but I regularly get my head and arms on top of a fuller Trans in a Mack Pinnacle.

 The whole cab height design for operation in North America is redundant. A hood that tall with an engine slung that low looks silly when you open the hood.  The rad height is even unnecessary for cooling.

The cab height on the Australian design on all conventional models  (including Titan) is to improve air flow/heat transfer off of the engine Trans post radiator.  That kind of air flow is not required for our climate but helps in theirs. 

The VN with D16 power and a low sloped hood and low cab prove it serves no purpose in cooling requirements here hauling 135k lbs gross through mountains.

Even the air cleaners under each side of the cab....I was at the test center in 2007 and was shown the Titan front end clip mock up with a freightliner like air cleaner on one side and that stupid decorative intake in use today.

It looked cool with external filter housings and made them more serviceable.

Why they went with under cab air filter mount???? Just to be different.....why they went with such a high hood and cab....just to be different...

Why Mack customers buy an over priced big ass tall truck they can look down on people driving.......just to be...????

The proof is in the market and the market has spoken. 

Customers here use Mp8 powered units daily to haul 135k lbs loads with the same issues a Titan would present.

Every customer here with a Titan has been disappointed in the product at our dealer level.  Maybe some of the Canadian guys on here can help me with this question I pose.....how many Mack customers here in Canada have more then 1 Titan in their fleet?  

I know of none in southern Ontario. I'm pretty sure there are a few in Quebec.

I'm happy you are happy with your Titan. I just wish they did better on the engineering of the truck from day one instead of copy and paste of the Australian day cab product at a premium price.

I'm pretty sure they brought the Australian Titan to North America was because people wanted it here but they priced it a little too high and didn't offer sleepers.  We didn't buy them to look down on anyone. We bought because we wanted a mack truck that would haul the heavy loads without compromise. We payed the extra 10 grand, which amounts to a couple hundred a month more than a Western Star. When your talking about payment of 2500 or 2700, what's the difference?  I think the mp8 being rated at 505 hp certainly cannibalized Titan sales as it is enough power for most. But at the time, when we bought ours, the granite only offered a 505 with 1760 torque which was the same as the 460 etechs we had that didn't really do the job that great. Someone said the D16 is done in North America for volvo as well so there pulling out of heavy haul altogether.  The only real issue we had the titans is the corrosion of the grill and air cleaners,mack lied to us and said they were developing a new grill and air cleaners and that wouldn't corrode and they'd be giving it to us under warranty I doubt that will happen now as they discontinued and cut and run . Pathetic.