skip

hello i have a 1980 fr 700 and i need to find where the chassi number or vin is located i already have the numbers from inside the door but im tryig to find where they are stamped on the chassi as the ones i have are not the original numbers and i cant register my truck any body have any ideas

thank you

Gday mate. We had a 1980 FR786, and the number was stamped into the RHS rail just in front of the front drive axle. cheers, Skip.

Hi, do you know who owned it new? wouldnt surprise me if it was Brambles red, Geof may be able to shed some light??

Grant

Gday mate how are ya? It wasnt a Brambles truck, it came from Tassie. It originally belonged to Mt Foster Timber Co. There were 3 or 4 of them down there. I used the paint code that came back to me on this post and it looks really good. All Ive gotta do now is get it ready for Alice Springs in August. Are you coming across to it?

PPG paint code 72182.

Thanks mate, I will give that a go this week. As soon as it starts to come together I will get some photos posted. Thanks again to all who wrote back. Keep on truckin. Skip

Gday everyone. Ive finally got my old Flinstone into the painters. Im wondering if anyone has the code or number for the original mack red. It is a 1967 model with a black chassis. Bonnet, guards and cab are red. Any help would be appreciated thanks. Skip

Gday everyone. Im getting my flinstone ready to go to the paint shop and making sure everything is its right place on the chassis so I dont have to fit anything to it after its been painted. It has the 864 V8 engine, with a single cannister type oil filter mounted behind the cab on the exhaust stack gantry. I think its an LF667 from memory. Does this have to mounted on the chassis as opposed to a bit higher on the gantry? Will it have the problem of oil running back into the sump and overfilling it, and then taking longer to build up oil pressue? It is mounted neatly and i will use it if its ok to do so. Thanks everyone, Skip

Thankyou everyone for your help. I found a impellor and a new shaft here, just waiting on the spring seal from Mack.

Grant

Fair Dinkum? Where did you find parts for it? Was it similar to an E9?

Yes .I have never seen liners with out carbon on the top !They have to be as clean as the rest of the liner to see the crack!Counter bore cracks also show up as a leak on the fire ring on the head gasket

you said the gasket looks good.This is an rw your working on not a MH the Cab over has an air operated heater valve also if you have a shuter stat disconect that to be sure thats not the problem

How old is the engine? Ive seen an E9 liner rotted out from the outside-in from electrolisys but in that case there was a pinhole in the liner, and it eventually locked the engine up. After he haed rebuilt it we checked the voltage in the top radiator tank and it was nearly 4.5. So a good earth strap was required. That started the same though, it was pressurising the cooling system.

Have been thinking of PAI rebuild kit this time

have used PAI in the past with no worries at all

if Mack can only supply the after market stuff

they have lost me.

Is PAI still made in the US? may bee they have better quality controll.

going at this rate i will have to put zippers on the heads........Mark

Gday mate. I got a PAI kit from gleemans and it was a good price. Its a 285 EM6 and its used oil from day one. I took the heads off and all of the bores are shiney. Its had RX super in it the whole time. Its done about 150000Kms. Hard to work out, and it may be a once off, but if I had to do it again I would be thinking of using genuine parts. Skip

Hi Skip

Try Thompsons transpory/ towing. Mt Victoria NSW

He had a load of V8 Mack stuff at one stage.....Mark

Thanks mate, I hadnt thought of him, I will give him a go. Cheers,skip

Hi Skip, hard parts for those engines are getting scarce. I have several and they are becomming parts engines as time goes by. Head gaskets and upper sets are still available but a lower set is not. I've tried North America, South America, and Australia, and Germany with no such luck of any parts. I've not looked into used, or NOS on someone's shelf yet.

I did speak with Olson's gaskets and they can make the gasket set without problem but it is about $330.00. That is not out of line on pricing and about retail on the OEM Mack set when it was available through them.

PM me a list of what you are after and I'll do some investigating on this end about having some parts made. If I but some sets maybe we can get the cost a little more in reason.

We are not the only ones wanting to stay with these engines.

Rob

Gday Rob. Thanks for your interest, its a pity that parts are so scarce now. Im looking for sleeves and pistons mainly. Gasket sets are available thru some suppliers out here but are old stock. Ive heard of blokes getting sleeves made but it is fairly costly, maybe if there was a big enough demand they could be made cheaper. Fuel pumps and turbos are repairable, and non genuine valves and guides can be modified to suit. Ive got my machining man out here looking into maybe boring the block to take E9 sleeves, as the only difference is 1/8" od. Combustion chamber size and the fire rings might be the issue there. Anyway thats some food for thought. Nice chatting Rob, thanks for your time.

Skip

Gday everyone, Im not sure if Ive asked this question before but I'll give it a go, Does anyone know if liners or cylinder kits are available for an END865/6? They arent available here in Australia, so I dont care if they are genuine, aftermarket or old stock in someones shed, any information would be appreciated. Thanks all, regards, Skip.

Where can I find gold and chrome V8 signs. Thanks.

The chrome ones are still available out here in Australia under a 27RU... number I think but the gold ones are no longer listed. Can you get hold of them genuine?

I'm looking for pictures of U615,R615,R715,and R719. I'm mostly looking engine views, but exterior view would greatly appreciated. Thanks.

How are you mate? Why are you looking for photos of these gems? Ive got a couple of pics of my R615, its a Flinstone right hand drive, would that be any good to you? Skip

The 864 used the Mack "Duplex Clarifier", that big canister type filter that was used on the 673 - 711 back in the 60's.

It looks similar to a Luberfiner, but the Duplex Clarifier was a combination full flow and bypass type filter whereas the Luberfiner is just a bypass type.

I remember seeing a few DM800's with the 864 engine which had the filter remotely mounted on the outside of the frame behind the cab.

Pretty right mate I reckon, in AUS I think the part number for the old cannister is an LF667, whereas the Luberfiner is an LF750. Both fleetguard numbers. The bypass valve sits on top of the filter itself

H i Grant, not sure what engine your refering to, but if it is a 6 like the pic Thad posted they are often up higher, along the top, the flat bit at the top. If it came from an 'F' it could be on the back of the block just below the head. If it was a V8 it could be on the pan rail, just above the sump pan or across the top at the back of the block below the valley. Tell us what you find. Regards Jeff. The pan rail drivers side (OZ) about the middle.

Spot on mate, END/T 864,5 and 6 are all on the pan rail on the RHS. I dont think it would be an E9 in a flinny

Hi Jeff, Rod

Thanks for the feedback.

There doesnt seem to be many 700's around these days. Do you have any ideas on how many they did make here ?

Were most of them Mack V8's or was there a real mixture of engines. Swishy tells me Wettenalls had some Cummins powered ones.

Im still curious about the gearbox setup in this one of mine. There is a set of Mack rear trans mounts about 4'6" back from the flywheel housing that I cant work out. To far back for a maxitorque and to close for an aux. The picture isnt very clear but you can see the mount.

Barry

Gday Barry. The only time Ive seen anything like that is on an old superliner tow truck over here. Its got a 350 CAT (3406A) with a brakesaver fitted from new with a 12spd. It has 2 sets of rear engine mounts one lot about 18" behind the other. I guess it may have been to do with the brakesaver. Skip

Hi Jeff,

I was just abit exited when the mag article turned up in the post. Got this copy from the Transport Hall of Fame in Alice.

Im going to run an add in Truckin life and see if someone will part with the particular mag it was in.

I managed to read the signwork on the door with a magnifying glass and it says Stevens Transport, Darwin so your bang on. With a little reserch yesterday I found out Stevens Transport was G & L Steven. George Steven. Im now on the hunt to try and find him. The boys from Shaw Trans in Darwin tell me Stevens havnt been around the NT for years now.

Mack in QLD are rattling through their archives to see what they can find on it so if they turn something up it may answer some of my questions.

Your information about who had what is interesting.

I think it is fitting to restore it as in the picture.

Thanks for the great info.

Barry

Gday mate how are ya? Great work in tracking the info down for your truck and best of luck trying to find the original owner. If you do manage to get onto him you might ask him if he was the original owner of that R615 Flinstone. There were only a handful that came out and Im trying to make a bit of a list up of who had them and where they got to. Anyway great to hear youre making inroads on your project, all the best, Skip. (Dave Willis)

What year model is that mate? Its a CCRS by the look of the filters, but it seems very low in the rails. The early ones were built on the Renault chassis and were a bastard of a thing- try doin a compressor. Weve got 2 later model ones and theyre on the CH rail, and seem to sit up a bit better. Skip

Back to the original question before the turn. Thermo means heat and dyne is a measure of energy thus thermodyne equals heat energy. originally this was probably a marketing tool. Maxidyne- maximum energy (guess). Econodyne- economy energy (guess). I believe thermodyne started with the b models. Before that the L and A models were just mack diesel if I remember correctly.

That sounds pretty right mate. Yep Maxidynes (237, 285, 325 and E9400 out here in Aus) were the lower horsepower-higher torque models to their sister engines. 237-250C, 285-320/350, 325-375V8 and 400-440V8. Maxidynes were the only engine fitted with 5 and 6 spd boxes. All tthe Thermodynes used 10s and 12s after the quad. Econodynes were the first engine with chassis mounted charge air cooling CMCAC. Econodynes were the first series to have 4 valves per cyl, with the E9. The 6cyl didnt appear out here with 4 valves until about 1985/6, with the 300 and 350.

The 6

Hi joe, that list of model # that superdog posted is correct . The 1st R's in Australia . were R609 's & R403 's, that was late 1966. Then the R611 's & R607 's which Mack called the "power pup" .The 1st 685 's appeared in late 68. The 1st R 's were Flinstones, maybe 6 to 12 mths b4 the fibreglass bonnett appeared

hope this helps you Joe, regards jeffro

7 R607 's

Gday mate how are ya? With the Aussie Macks, Ive got an old bulldog bulletin and I think the date is 67', and they reckon the first fibreglass bonnet R went to a bloke called Frank Nylon, and it had an 864 V8 and it wouldve been sold in about 68' so Id say youre spot on. Steel fronts were an option though, depending on the conditions the truck was to be exposed to. I have a copy of the build sheets for one of my Flinstones and it lists the steel hood and fenders as an option. Hope that was remotely interesting. Cheers, Skip

I need a motor for a 1990 mack ch613 it has a e6 4v 350 hp in it.

I would like a low millage engine or a rebuilt one can anyone help?

I am located in West Virginia. you can email me here or direct at abakerwv99@aol.com

Thanks

Andy

Wish you were in Australia mate, Ive got a good one Im trying to get rid of.

Hi HK Trucking,

Nice find ain't the words - word of mouth helps a hell of a lot! Apparently the guys who own it now had intentions to keep it working but couldn't due to the equipment on the body being unable to be re-certified... so they are going to sell it! It showed up at the right time as I was going to purchase one with a 6-71 Detroit Diesel 2-stroke and a 13 speed RoadRanger and single drive.... not original but the tow truck is - right down to the Maxidyne engine (as shown by the gold bulldog mascot on the grille!)!

Joe

Gday Joe how are ya mate? What do you need to know? Ive got an old manual that covers R, F, MBR and B models. So is that the flinny you are going to do up? What happened to the one with th GM in it? Is it still about? Ive got a couple of them which are also awaiting a restoration. Cheers mate, Skip.

Very same thing. glenn

Thanks Glenn, would you know of anyone that may keep them or have old stock? Thanks mate, skip.

Gday all. Just wondering if there is any difference between the 865 liner and 866 liner. A bloke out here told me there was no difference and he had run both engines. The parts bloke Im using seems to think there may be a difference, but we arent sure. Any help would be good. Thanks. Skip

thanks too all the guys for your help.the bloke i got the plate from said they went on the outside but didnt seam to fit???will let you know how i go,thanks again adrian

Yeah mate youve got it right. I went through the same thing with our F model. It wont fit on the outside. I just ran grease in the front hubs, and put silastic on both sides of the hubcap adaptor.