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WOW, this my learnt thing for this week

Having the coolant in tiptop condition would be critical I would think

There's a huge amount going in in those motors and their cooling system 

Maybe Mack had a patent on the tip turbine idea and Cummins and other manufacturers had to have a different approach 

Tip turbines biggest draw back is you can't build big boost, 21 pounds is sort of the max and you have to be pulling pretty hard and that boost is only for a short amount of time

15 - 17 is sort of normal 

Get to a chassis mounted intercooler and I read of blokes getting 35 pounds boost

Thanks Geoff, very educational 

 

Paul

 

 

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Thanks for the read. I had seen and heard old timers giving advice on people looking for older trucks with the older Cummins in them, and to be wary of anything with the "Low Flow" coolant system. Had no clue why. 

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I used a low flow in heavy-haul, and the company I was leased to had many low-flow in heavy service.  As I said, it returns some real gains in fuel mileage. 

Originally, I had a 1500 sq-in radiator and it did ok pulling boilers (high wide and heavy) but there was little "extra" to spare. Both of my trucks I upgraded to fit 1800 sq-in radiators and never had a problem. 

Coolant filters, SCA's and keeping up on maintenance is important. That holds true if you have a conventional cooling system.

My take is the fears are far overblown. If you are going to let cooling system degrade, try and fix with "black pepper and a raw egg",  in the cooling system, you are going to have problems. I have met with those that have opted for that method then complain when there are problems, and blame low-flow.

Radiator cores cost more, and require more skill to assemble, to get the divided bottom take sealed. 

Like anything "different" from what people are used to, it can cause people to say it is bad. 

If you are going to push engines to high Hp, beyond what the factory made, it can be hard to cool, regardless of cooling system type.

 Fact is: air to air beats all work around's.  I will not say low flow beats all, it does not. I also wouldn't pass on a good truck because of it.

It went away about 35 years ago, and was only used for about 3-5 years. That makes it odd, but also Cummins was a big player and made a lot of truck engines. 2 stroke Detroit's were on the wain, Series 60 had some teething pains, and Cat would only go to 400 hp with water cooling, if you wanted 425 or 475 you had to have air to air and the limited which trucks could install one in. Cummins offered the 444 that could be fit in any truck. 

Mack did what they did in their own, but that was limited to Mack brands.

If I were building a Big Cam today for a more modern chassie, I would convert to air to air like a N-14 is. 

I had a Big Cam 1 built in 1979

I had a Big Cam 3 built in 1983

I had a Big Cam 4 built in 1986 or 87

I had a NT88 built in 1988

By the 90's the N-14 was out at least in mechanical versions.

The Low flow was only Big Cam 4 and NT88's which is about a 4-5 year run. There are very few people around that had enough experience with them, today or even at the turn of the century.  I just happened to be around in the time frame when they were thick on the ground.

The L-10 also used the same system (call Optimized Aftercooling ) or OAC in the same timeframe.

Edited by Geoff Weeks

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