DWaits

I posted this on the ATHS site, I know some of us here also have Powerstroke engines so maybe this will help somebody.

early last week I had a diesel smell in in the cab if of my F250 Super Duty, It would come and go for about 4 days.

Saturday AM I crawled all over the Powerestroke engine looking for a fuel leak,

I could not find any signs of a leak untill I pulled the fuel filter cover off and noticed a small puddle of fuel in the valley between the heads. I got back down off the engine and started it up and with a flashlight I found that the water seperator drain was leaking pretty good! I shut the engine down and got out my Torx drivers (#20) and tightend up the housing on the drain. I did not drive the truck much last weekend, only about 15 miles to move some hay, Tuesday AM I noticed the smell was back and so I went online to thedieselstop.com and found a thread where A LOT of other Powerstoke owners are having this same problem! It seems to be the consensus that the ULSD is eating the factory O rings in the drain! Ford wanted $48 for a rebuiled kit but I found a fellow that would sell me just the O rings for $5 and that includes shipping!

One of the techs who frequint thedieselstop.com posted that over the last two years they had installed two sets and since the ULSD has come out they have installed over 75! the O rings I am getting are Viton orange 75, they are supposed to be impervious to the new ULSD.

David

73 R Model:

If you have the pump Arthur Gould will rebuild it. He does excellent work. (631) 269-0093 arthurgouldrebuilders.com

Firemack

I sent my pump to them, they were not able to rebuild it but they took the time to call me twice and let me know what was going on. If I had to get another pump rebuilt I would still send it to them, they are really easy to deal with!

David

I like the desert, it is showing up as a light tan on my computer here at work. Almost all the other forums I use that use this same program use blue. The desert is a nice change.

I use Firefox, it is so much easyer to use and it blocks 99.9% of all pop ups, the only problem I have with it is the header on this board, it looks like the header is overlayed on top of another header but, if that is the only problem it's no big deal for me!

David

Hi David

I just sent you an email.

Sounds like getting a fairly complete truck is the best way to go so there's less dependence on parts supplies. Did you see the pics that Bob Gilbreath posted of his EQ tractor? That's a sweet truck. Hope I can find one at least in that condition.

I agree with you on the look of the E. One of the best lookers around. The E was one of the first trucks that knocked me over with good looks when I first got into old bangers.

Cheers

Andy

Hello Andy,

I got your messages, I will try and start scanning the manual Monday and send it to you a few pages at a time as I get them done. I will send them to you in PDF format.

The thing that draws me to the E's are the huge fenders and the small interior of the cab, really smooth lines on those trucks!

I have seen pictures of Bob's truck as well as Lee Haberleens from the ATHS as well, there are two others in the 2005 Showtime on page 95, I have not seen the 2006 Showtime yet.

I Emailed the owner of the Mack pumper in Florida, maybe this will work out for both of us! He had it listed as an L model but I am certian it is an S series pumper, I made the same mistake when I first got my pumper, I thought it was an L untill I learned more about the truck and found it was in fact an S which is based on the E series chassis and body.

Good luck with your search for an E down under!

David

$950 Must Go or will be sold for Scrap medal !!!

I have been asked to Market this Mack for an Estate in which the Owner that was Restoring a 1942 Mack L Open cab Model 75

John had been restoring a 1942 Mack Model “L” Open Cab for some time. "No Money was spared on his Projects".

The L Open Cab was parked Outside without a Tarp after John's Passing.

Thats why it now Looks Pink in Color in the Pictures provided from the Florida Sun. We have done our best to pull together all the related parts to the truck that we have been able to find and now the Truck has over stayed its Welcome and Needs to Go to a New Home.

Not All the Parts have been recovered or Located : The problem was only John was aware of the information of the shops which had the parts & their Contact Information, So not all the parts are included in the Sale of this Mack L Open Cab.

I have heard but not confirmed yet that the Motor was rebuilt, but I do know that the Motor is currently Froze up & Not Running now. We have spent some time trying to free it up, Pulled Plugs Placed Oil in the Cylinders etc etc etc

I have added a link to View Pictures of the Truck in its current stage and what goes with the Sale.

http://news.webshots.com/album/551419940XYoZiU

Were not Intrested in Parting it out - It has over stayed its welcome and Needs to go !

SHIPPING INFO

THE OVERALL LENGTH IS "21 FEET"

THE WHEEL BASE MEASURES 14.4 FEET

THE WHEELS AT THEIR WIDEST ARE 90 INHES

THE FIRETRUCK IS "80 INCHES TALL". WE MEASURED TO THE TOP OF THE FRONT WINDSHIELD FRAME WHICH IS THE HIGHEST POINT

If you have any Questions I can be contacted at Mogmedia@earthlink.net

Bill Stauffer

Do you have any pictures of the motor?

I am intersted in this truck, it is only about 6 hours away from me but I can not make a commitment until close to the end of the month. If you still have it then I would like to drive down and take a look at it.

David

Hi guys

My wife and I are looking for an E model as our next truck. They're not that common in Australia and we'll have to find it on the other side of the country but we're keen anyway.

Am building a file on E models which consists of as many pics as I can find, diagrams, books etc etc. If anyone has any pics of E wrecks, restored Es or whatever, I would be most grateful if you could please pm me or email me. If you own one or have restored or driven one in the past I welcome your comments on the joys and/or pitfalls of doing so.

If you have an E in your gallery, please let me know so I can make a copy of it for my file. Have already raided Hank's Truck Pictures but any leads to other net sources would also be much appreciated.

I am also thinking of setting up an E registry along the lines of the famous B registry. Is that something you guys would be keen to see?

We recently sold our B to a good home but, since Jodi and I are Mack people, we can't think of not having one to look after!

Once you go , there's no going back!

Cheers for now

Andy

Andy,

I posted a reply to your question on the ATHS board but I thought I would add something to it here.

The S-75 pumper I have is based on the E chassis and uses the same cab, fenders, hood, dash and cowl.

The biggest dawback to collecting and or restoreing one is that the parts are really hard to find but they are out there. Almost all of the ones I have seen that have been restored have had a price of 10,000 and up, some of the parts that were used on some early B's (only a few!) can be used on the E.

As I stated on the ATHS board, I can scan my E series manual or copy it for you if you would like it. I also have a ton of pics of my S-75 in various stages of restoration if you would like them. I will try and answer any questions you have about them if I am able.

To me the E was one of the best looking trucks of the late 30's and 1940's I would really like to have a E tractor for pulling my trailers around but they are extremly hard to find here in Georgia!

David

GoodFellas. with DeNiro has a B-61 in it, I think it might even have had another B in another scene but it has been awhile since I have seen the movie.

Also there was a B open cab pumper in the Tom Selik movie Folk's

David

David, the Baldwin numbers is OF1308 for the head and B7577 for the filter (B7575 short version).

I am going to install it and use teflon lines. I will use the engine mounting holes for bracket

Charlie Hatfield

Thanks for the part numbers,

I forgot to tell you that you can get your gaskets from Olson's. I got all of the gaskets that I could not make from them, they even sent my first order to me with a bill so I could mail them a check when the gaskets got here. If they do not have what you need they can make them for you, mine were NOS with Mack factory part numbers and in very good shape. send them a Email with what you need and they will get back to you very quick with prices and shipping cost.

I do not have a source for bearings because my 510 uses babitts! I wish it did use bearin. you could probably get a bearing shop to match up with the ones you have.

David

I know this has been discussed before, but what have other people done about sock-type oil filters for this engine? Has any one been successful in changing to a spin-on type filter assy?

Also any rebuilding parts(rings, gaskets, bearings) available?

Thanks for any help

Charlie Hatfield

Charlie,

On page 61 of the latest WOT there is an ad in the bottom right corner, the ad says they have rings for some of the post war Mack gassers, is the 707 gas?

Also if you know what size rings you need you can cross match them on the Hastings web site, that is where I found the rings for my ENF510A, Hastings is very helpfull, Emailed them and they help me find what I needed.

Twostick,

Can you send me some pics of your spin on conversion? I only have one filter and have been wanting to change over to the spin on type, now would be a good time to do it since I have everything removed from my block right now.

Thanks!

DW

Thanks for the help. Sorry for the late reply. Have been swamped at work. For the time being we have wired a ballast resistor in from of one of the coils. I am trying to find out how Mack stock wiring was configured.

Donny

Donny,

I have a wiring diagram for the standerd E series chassis, it does not show the dual coil/distributor set up but it might be of some help.

Let me know if you need a copy.

David

JJ and David,

Thanks for the help. I have been away not near a computer. My line is metal not rubber. Surely it must be plugged. What is its purpose? Your pic is correct.

Do your motors have twin coils/distributors?

Donny

I am not exactly sure what it does but it is some sort of pressure relief line, I am thinking for when the system is shut of from the radiator maybe.

Yes mine does have two coils and distributors.

I saw your post on burning up the points and coils, go over to the ATHS board at aths.org and log on to the disscusion page, there are lots of guys on that board that can give you faster answers to some of your questions.

This forum (BMT) has a great bunch of guys on it but for questions about trucks and engines as old as ours the guys at ATHS are better at answering questions about the older engines.

David

What did you do with or get done with your Mack this weekend?

Myself, I removed the front head on my ENF510A engine in my 48 S-75 pumper, I started on it early Saturday morning. Out of 30 nuts holding the exhaust/intake manifolds on only one gave me a problem, I soaked it with PB Blaster took a short break and went back at the frozen nut with a wrench and the smallest ballpeen hammer I had. After tapping on it for a few minutes it brook loose and I had both manifolds loose, I had to cut the four bolts holding the exhaust pipe to the flange.

Next I pulled the rocker assymbly and then removed all the nuts holding the head to the block, 10 of the studs came out with the nuts but two studs did not budge, not wanting to risk snapping them I just removed the nuts and decided to lift the head up over them.

This head must weigh at least 150 pounds! standing on the frame I managed to get it above the studs and turned cross ways so I could set it back down on the block, lifting that head from cheast height was a job!

Getting it down on the floor was even harder. The next head will come off with an engine host!

After taking a long look at the block, head and cylinders I filled all three cylinders with PB Blaster, My number 1 cylinder is stuck so it will sit most of the week.

Sunday I cleaned up the shop area and that was pretty much it as far as my Mack goes, Lets hear from some of the others about what they got done on their Mack or what you did with it.

David

on my '47 LS-85 with a 707 that 1/8 inch line from the water pump to the thermostat housing is called a water pump to water manifold bleeder. j.j.

Donny,

I think I may have told you wrong on where the line goes.

If it is what twostick described above I do have that line on my engine but it is rubber, on down the radiator line coming out of the pump is what I thought you were asking about and it is what I described to you as being plugged.

I will take a picture of it when I get back home after work.

David

Is this the line you are asking about? If then it is what Twostick told you.

I plan to spend all day tomarrow on the truck. I appreciate your help.

Donny

The ENF510A has only one thermostat according to my manual, I still do not know where the line goes from the water pump, I have one more book to check. My wife cleaned up my desk so I have to track it down, as soon as I find it I will get back to you, it has some very good detailed drawings of the Mack engines.

Enjoy your day working on your truck!

David

Here are my rookie questions:

I am about to backflush the radiator and block on my 1948 firie truck. It appears to have been long ago when last serviced.

Are there 1 or 2 thermostats located in the housing between radiator and block?

Is there a retail source for compatible thermostats?

Is there a retail source for compatible radiator caps?

And finally, what is the 1/8" metal line conencting the thermosatat housing to what I am guessing is the water pump?

All help appreciated. I have a million more rookie questions.

Donny

Donny,

Try NAPA and see if they can match up the cap and thermostat, I do not know if there are one or two but my guess is there is only one.

I do not know what the line from the water pump is for, my first guess is that it may be for the aux. cooling that helps keep the engine cool on extended pumping but, that is supposed to be a closed sysytem and does not mix with the cooling water. The water pump on my truck did not have one but had a plug in place, when I replaced the pump the seconed one had the line but it was crimped and I replaced the fitting with a new plug. The replacment pump did not come from an fire engine, it came off and L series road tractor so whatever it is for is not fire engine related, I will look at my manuals and books tonight and see what I can find out for you.

David

good evening and hello!

I am looking for information on the af series trucks, i have one that we are preparing to sell due to health concerns and we are looking for help on this, this truck was formally in service to the City of Newport, Kentucky, It is in reasonalbally good shape, any and all help would be appreciated, thanks benny

What type of info are you looking for?

Do you have any pictures of this truck you can post?

David

David,

I saw you were Georgia located. My oldest son is at Fort Stewart - 3ID. He deploys in November so maybe we can tag up after I see him off. I live in west Texas. Lots of worn out oilfield Macks in my neck of the woods.

As an experiment, today I ordered hoses thru the local Mack dealer. They are not believing a 1948 pumper is in the area. I may let them go thru the brakes,

I'll run the coil trap like you suggested. Will be late this week. I am swamped at work.

Orriginal gauge clusters are in the dash but all wires cut and inop. A previous owner added ugly generic temp, psi and volt gauges attached to the dash bottom.

Interesting the chasis numbers were only 3 apart. Wonder if they built them in numeric order?

I have contacted Mack Museum for help. Am anxious to get thier reply.

Donny

Tell your son we said thanks for what he is doing! I would be going over myself if they took 46 year old recruits.

Get a good relationship with the Mack guys if you can, you never know what they can help you with.

I am pretty sure our trucks were made close togather, Mack used consecutive numbers off the line but sime trucks sat at the plant untill they had an order for them, one thing I found out is that they could have been built a few years before 48 and they used the order date ast the year, IE: built in 46 or 47 but they had no order for it untill 48 so it went out as a 48.

Mack started their seriel numbers with 1000 so your would have been the 1365 truck built.

The Museum stays really busy, I have heard it has taken as long as two months for the info to get back but it is really worth the wait.

David

here is the game.

can anybody tell me what kind of truck this fellas drive?

1)a teenage school bus with a DT-466

2)a white/volvo garbage truck

3)a 379X peterbilt

4)an army 6x6 Kenworth

5) the Mack of your dream

a picture of the truck will be sent sometimes during the week! please make a vote

I am going with the school bus, for some reason that guy looks like he would think a school bus would be cool to drive with a DT-466.

David

David,

Chassis number is 75 S 2365. Engine is a Thermodyne. Have no clue as to its rating or CI.

What is the E serries chassis?

One of its 2 coils is in bad shape and needs replacing for sure. Radiator has to questionable as to last tme flushed.

As to parts, I need to survey the truck better and determine what is most critical. Thanks for the help offer.

Does your pump work? All my dash gauges are inop and replaced with addons. Would like to get that back to orriginal if possible.

Have you located insurance sources? I am getting quotes from some of the collector car firms.

Nothing like a true vertical learnig curve.

Donny

Mine is 75 S 2369, they were not made that far apart! If it is a gasser you most likly have the ENF510A which is a 510 CI engine, parts are not all that easy to get but they are out there.

As for coils that is where the old parts guys at NAPA will be of help, if you can find one who knows his stuff and has the time he can look it up in an old DELCO book and probably come up with a match. The radiator hose will not be a problem at all, you just need to find the same diameter and cut it to fit.

My fire pump does work, I have the Hale 750 GPM, if you need any info on running your pump I have a manual for it. (also the E series manual if you need any info from them) Do you still have the origanal dash gages? if so they can be rebuilt, they were made by stewart warner and new ones can be bought but they will not have the Mack logos. A New Old Stock Mack E series cluster gage just sold on Ebay for just under $400.00 but I bought one last year used for $35.00 I might have a extra cluster gage if you need one.

Most of the guys I know with older heavy trucks and class 8 trucks use Gulfway, they also advertise in Wheels of time and are a corparate sponser of ATHS. You can find them on the net.

What part of the country are you in? I am in GA, not a whole lot of the old E series trucks are down here so it takes a little time to track down the Mack parts, my truck was running when I got it but needed the water pump, the one one it had was worn out and could not be rebuilt. It took me 16 months to track one down but I did find one in CA from some help with one of the members here on the BMT forum. Since then my engine has frozen up, I am working on getting it unstuck so I can get it back out on the road.

David

David,

I have joined SPAAMFAA and contacted Mack Museum as you suggested.

As to history. I know the last 2 owners are traceable. That info is at the office and I will run that trap Monday.

The pumper is not entirely complete but reasonably maintained I think. There are no water hoses but it does have a ladder set. Condition of pump I do not know. As to engine......all I know it is a six with leaky top radiator hoses.

The holes I mention are a precise pattern. I will check them today but I bet they are for the lights you describe. Have you located Mack dealers that cary older parts?

I will try to get pics posted soon.

Donny

Donny,

I have not found any parts available from any of the Mack dealers I have visited, I have had better luck at NAPA but only with the older parts guys, the youngs ones will just give you a blank stare when you tell them what you are looking for. If you can find a NAPA dealer with an old timer at the counter make him your new best friend, some of them enjoy the challange of matching and finding the parts you need.

As for Mack specific parts Ebay and Hemmings Motor News is your best bet, also you may want to join the ATHS (aths.org) lots of older guys there who can help out in tracking down parts and info. They also put out a pretty good magazine called Wheels of Time, if you have a Tractor Supply store near you you can pick up a copy at it.

Are you looking for any parts now? if so I might be able to give you some leads on them, most of the old Mack stuff is located up the the North East, lots of junk yards up there filled with the stuff you may want or need.

If your truck is like mine it is based and the E series chassis, that is what you will be looking for when trying to find parts.

David

David,

Mine also is an S-75. I will get you serial numbers to compare. Radiator hoses leak bad. That is my first fix.

Both front fenders have 3 holes in top of each fender. What was there?

Will figure out the pic thing. May take me a while to figure it out.

Donny

If you have two smaller ones and one larger one then thats where the marker lights go, the two smaller holes were for mounting the marker and the larger one had a grommet for the wiring. You can still get the marker lights (I think Watts has them or on Ebay) but the red lenes are extremly hard to find.

Keep in mind that these trucks are almost 60 years old, in that time a lot of holes could have been added for department specific items and if your truck has been in private hands for a while who knows what could have been added.

How much do you know about your truck's history?

Two of the best things I did were to visit the history center of the town where my truck first served, I was able to find two newspaper articals about larger fires that my truck was at and both had pictures, also found a short story about the Fire Chief who was retiring in 79 who served on my truck when it was new. In the story he decribes how the truck looked when it was first bought by the city and how impressed eveyone was with such a modern truck.

The other thing that was worth the time and money was to write to the MAck museum, if you send them a donation and the serial number of your truck they will send you all the info they have on it. Mack was very good at keeping records of the trucks they built. You should be able to get a build sheet listing all the equipment that was placed on the truck and what the specs are for it and, the best part is they will send you a picture of your truck as it looked just before it was sent to the town or city who ordered it.

This site is the best place to get Mack specific info (Thanks to Barry and Watts Mack!) The next thing you need to do is to join SPAAMFAA (Society for the Preservation and Appreciation of Antique Motor Fire Apparatus) at spaamfaa.org that is where you will find all of your fire apparatus related info and suppliers.

What engine is in your pumper? Do you have any of the original equipment with it?

If you need anything or have any questions just ask, I will be happy to try and help you out.

David

Howdy all. I just unloaded it this afternoon and drove it to my shop. I hardly know where to begin the fixup.

Here's thanks to the Founders, Moderators and members for your contributions to this forum. My list of questions is growing.

My plan is to cleanup the truck, add what is missing and have fun. Parades, displays and drive-in movies.

Me and the truck were born the same year.

Thanks to all.

Donny

Welcome Donny,

What model do you have?

Most of the parts are easy to find but you will come across a few items that may take awhile to track down.

Lots of info here on Macks and if you need any help with the fire truck related equipment let me know, I have a 48 S-75 pumper that I am restoring as well. Also, all of us here like to see pictures of the other members projects, post some if you have them.

David

What is the differance in these two engines?

I know the ENF is a gasser, could the END be a diesel?

When was the END510 made and for what applications?

Thanks for the help, I have found a gasket set that says it fits the END510 but I have never heard of it before, I was wondering if it will also fit my ENF510.

David

Here in West central GA the temp is 98 but with the heat index it is 105! also the back of my shop does not have

AC, it is 100 in the back and about 79 in the front where I wish I was!!!!

Amazing that the seller didn't want to sell the truck to his only bidder even though you didn't make the reserve price. Be a sad story if she was scrapped.

Cheers

Andy

Andy,

It is listed on Ebay again for a Third time, this time it has a minimum bid of $300.

I would pay $300 for it if it did not cost so much for me to pick it up, diesel is 3.00 a gallon now and my truck

money is getting tight. Maybe someone will get it and keep it from being scraped.

David