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4 minutes ago, General Ike said:

Your rig is a gasser right? The pic with the black knob leads me to believe that you have a two stage pump which isn't uncommon for old has fired rigs as a single stage pump pushing more than 1000gpm (or even that much) with a gas motor was tough. I'd say the knob was there to adjust pump pressure while switching the pump between stages which is what the transfer valve fitting to the left would have done. I'm above my pay grade however as I only have limited experience with two stage pumps and they were all on diesels that made them obsolete and we left the transfer valve in "volume" all the time.

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That's correct, gas engine and has a 2 stage pump.  I'm a fairly new pump operator, and obviously this is different from the newer pumps I operate on our in service rigs, so this whole thing is a learning experience for me!  

A few pics related to my previous post- first, the broken clamp from the front suction.  I am currently attempting to find somewhere that I can find one of these.

The leaky water line on the pump.  The source of the leak is right in the middle of the picture, appears to be a small crack or rust hole:

Where the line leads to:

What it looks like on the outside(black knob):

Bottom of the primer:

Inside of the primer where the motor attaches- the primer itself will not move at all:

!

Cleaning up the primer motor:

Repainted the primer motor:

9 hours ago, General Ike said:

Is that one of Medic 28's old rigs that Hampton is running as a QRS or Duty Ride?

I'm not sure, I will have to ask and get back to you.  They're running it as "Special Unit 10", and mostly run it as their QRS piece

4 hours ago, General Ike said:

The hoses you are describing... do they run to the back side of the gauges on the pump panel?  Or do they run to a series of valves usually located under the pump panel step.

Option 1 they are the lines that give you your readings (or lack there of) on your gauges.

Option 2 they are bleeders for the various plumbing that comes and goes from the pump.

Ok, so I did some investigating and spent some 'quality time' under the rig and found out a few things today-

1- the lines that were dripping are copper or brass lines running to a valve on the pump panel, I'm not too concerned about them at the moment.

2- the more pressing issue is the primer- I have the electric motor off, and it spins with no problem, also spins when power is put to it, but the primer itself seems to be frozen up.  Any thoughts on that other than taking it apart?

I will try to upload some pics, but am posting this from my phone,so no promises

Had the rig at the CAFAA muster on Saturday, which was great, and the rig did great going down and back.  I did hit one snag on the way home, suddenly the engine started cutting out and not wanting to go, but after a few seconds it resolved itself.  A minute or two down the road, the same thing, so I pulled off on a side road and the engine died.  I go back, pop the hood, and start looking for what's wrong- come to find out, the wires on the bottom of the fuel pump had worked themselves loose, so no power was getting to the fuel pump.  A simple fix, and we were back on the road and running great.  

Today (Monday), I took her about a 15 minute drive to the Hampton Fire Co. to work out the pump and flow some water.  There were really no leaks to speak of coming from the pump, but when the supply line was pressurized, part of the clamp on the piping for the front suction broke and caused a pretty heavy leak; but that should be an easy fix.  A few other items of concern:
1. None of the gauges on the pump panel are working (tach, supply pressure and master pressure)

2. The primer is not working.  When I pull on the lever for the primer, the lights on the pump panel get dim, but the primer will not engage. 

3. There is a slight leak (more of a constant drip) coming from some small black lines around the pump- they look like small black hoses, about the size of small fuel hose.  I honestly have no idea what they are or what they go to, can somebody point me in the right direction?

Macks and some of my other favorite shots from this year's Chesapeake Antique Fire Apparatus Association muster.  There was a nice variety of manufacturers and model types this year!
 

Mine, of course:

Trying to un-stick a stuck tiller

9 hours ago, GA_Dave said:

Engine 12, Reliance Fire Company, Phillipsburg, PA (retired & collector owned)

1963 Mack C-85

750/500

Hey, that one looks familiar! 

Finally some progress!  Had the clutch adjusted on Monday, which put some freeplay back in the pedal and she grabs a lot better, with no slipping!  Also put new batteries in, as the old ones finally "gave up the ghost" so to speak.  Looking forward to the CAFAA muster on Saturday!

Going to try my hand at a fundraiser for the engine, figured I would post it here in case anybody is interested.  Shirts are $20 for sizes S-XL, $22 for sizes larger than that.  Delivery available in Gettysburg or Carlisle (PA) areas, or to PA Pump Primers and York Fire Muster.  Send me a PM if interested.

Selling t-shirts as a fundraiser towards the restoration of my 1963 C85 engine.  

Sizes S-XL: $20

Sizes 2X-4X: $22

Shipping: $5

Local pickup/delivery in the Gettysburg or Carlisle areas

Delivery also available to the PA Pump Primers muster or York Fire Muster

PM me for info or ordering!

Progress recently has continued to be slow, but some odds and ends are primered and ready for paint.  I also figured I'd share the link for the Facebook page I started last year for the engine, for those of you who are on social media : Engine 13

5 minutes ago, Red Horse said:

No argument on taking the place of a "real" engine.  But in a town of 4000, we have two fairly new front line pumpers, A F'Liner tanker that we got new under a Homeland Security Grant-happy to get it as a taxpayer-just tell me the justification for getting under such a grant, a very clean R-600 pumper-old but reliable and the S-1600 I mentioned.  To me the mini-pumper would make sense as a rapid response unit for car fires, brush fires etc.-againI'm not a fire fighter-but I did spend 44 years in a haz mat business and went to enough fire schools to know what you can do with a 20 lb. BC Ansul as well as a fog nozzle.  What do most mini's carry? at least 200 gals of water?

By the way, in terms of mutual aid we have all kinds of engines in neighboring towns that are like 5 miles from any section of town.  We also have only two or three light commercial businesses.  We do have a heavily traveled interstate that goes through town.  As for staffing, we have one paid guy on duty, basically  mon-fri, 8-4.  Other than that a call department.

Most mini's are around 200-300 gallons plus some kind of foam system, so there's plenty of firefighting capability on them.  Obviously I don't know your town/department there, so it's hard to say what their justification is for the 4wd pumper; some people just want the toys "because they can".  One of our mutual aid companies has a housing community that is built on a mountain with only dirt roads, which are poorly maintained in the winter time and very rough in the summer; typically on a fire response there, we can get most "regular" fire units to the scene with little to no problem, although they do run their mini pumper out the door first in that area.

5 minutes ago, Red Horse said:

Well now that you mention Spartan I think one of the guys mentioned "Rosenbauer on a Spartan Chassis"-is that possible??-but you are making my point.  These guys think they are getting an Oshkosh!  Last year we had 130" of snow-this year easy winter-I think 40-but in anycase, I would bet money on a chain equipped 11:00R x 24.5 equipped with chains. vs one of these things with little rubber-which to me translates into less ground clearance.  

Then again as a taxpayer I would rather have seen my money go toward an F-550  4 x 4 mini-pumper.  I know some of you "pro's" have made negative comments about mini-pumpers but they do seem to sell well.  We also have an older DT-466 powered International S-1800 4 x 4.  That should have sufficed for the rare need when  4 x 4 was needed.  I've lived in this town for 26 years and never heard of once instance where the lack of four wheel drive led to a property loss.

Spartan used to be just a chassis manufacturer, and would supply the cab/chassis for other companies who were just body makers.  Our engine there has a PA Fire Apparatus body, which is located about 5 miles from us in Heidlersburg, PA.  Apparatus built by multiple manufacturers are fairly common, depending on what departments are looking for- there are a decent amount of rescue trucks with Rescue 1 bodies on Seagrave chassis, because (to my understanding) Seagrave doesn't build rescue bodies.  It's funny you mention a mini-pumper, my department has been kicking that idea around for a little while now, just trying to figure out how to fund it; depending on how you spec it, they can cost almost as much as a (cheap) full sized engine.  Mini pumpers have their time and place, but can't take the place of a "real" engine.

My department has a 4wd pumper on a Spartan Mountainstar chassis.  It was originally designed as more of a water supply piece when we had 2 engines, but now it is our primary engine.  The 4wd is nice in winter weather, but otherwise the rig is too heavy to take "off road" and gets stuck most of the time when it does.  

I'm certainly interested, sending you a PM

6 hours ago, fxfymn said:

Nice job! Do you have the ladders, extinguishers etc. for the truck?

I was pretty fortunate on the equipment that came with it (hose, adapters, nozzles, etc), but ladders are the 1 big thing it is missing at this point

You going to have her at Pump Primer's this year?

I also recently bought a GoPro and wanted to try it out

After putting chargers on the batteries for the last 2 days, the old girl fired right up today!  The fuel pump worked perfectly and the 707 ran great, and I couldn't resist going for a very quick drive up the road and back.  Now that things are together and running, I have a family friend who is a retired heavy truck mechanic who will be looking over the clutch to see what exactly needs done with it.  

So today the weather and my work schedule finally somewhat aligned to let me poke around a little bit.  The new fuel pump is bolted on, using a bracket that was already there.  This was the best I could figure out this morning after working overnight, and it seemed to fit the old motto of 'keep it simple, stupid!'  It still needs wired up and the hoses attached, but I figure some progress is better than no progress at all.  

7 hours ago, mrsmackpaul said:

I remember some years ago doing electrical work at a Ambulance station and all Ambulances had a plug on the side to plug them into mains power when not being used I guess because they had so much electrical stuff in them and were never really turned off as in the radios were always going and lights and stuff on inside them 

They also had a cutout so when it was plugged into mains you couldnt start them 

 

I wonder does a fire truck have they same type of thing ????

 

Paul 

Modern apparatus (both ambulances and fire trucks) have "shore lines" to keep things like portable radios, flashlights and other handheld electrical equipment charged while they are in the station.  I believe it also helps keep the batteries of the vehicle charged, but that may not always be the case

Know it well. Speaking of ice cream runs, last time I drove through, it looked like the Distelfink was closed. Bummer. They had great milkshakes.

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Yeah, it's been closed for a little while now, and nobody seems to want to buy it and re-open or build anything else there.

Well that's certainly.... unique The CF tiller and B tanker make up for it, though

MB400 -

Where do you live that you're cruising through Gettysburg on ice cream runs? I went to college there in the late '90's, was a member of GFD and own their 1957 B85F "The General Ike".

-Ed-

Biglerville, about 7 miles north of Gburg

Were they able to help you with a window regulator?

Wrong guy, I think you're thinking of jasonhill:

http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/index.php?/topic/43495-1958-c85-window-regulator/