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i havent got the bill from f@c yet it looks like that wrong circiut breaker has cost me at least 700.00$ so far. i gave it to my olady for christmas and told her its been awhile since you got a gift that cost that much from me.

yes they are oem i took off the lights that were installed by flagstaff mack they were after market pos and they cut the plugs off my truck. i bought oem plugs put back on my truck and had a set of oem lights off my 01 cl, had f@c redo wiring flagstaff had some mickymouse bs looked like 10 year old did it.

appreciate the attention to detail keeps me from overlooking somthing

used existing wiring for driving lights just moved power source from headlight switch to fuse panell. i check driving light function when i do daily inspection, but do not use them, they are for emergency only. i want to make sure they are not used up when i need them

so you think it may have been a driver problem instead of a truck problem

i am learning the 2004 are the worst truck mack ever built

i have been warned by others with 2004 visions to stay out of the west this summer because it will overheat. talked to the dealership about this,was told there are some cooling upgrades and their checking on the price of such an upgrade,and will let me know.

maybe i should just stay east of denver june threw august? i would appreciate opinions from anybody with experiance in these truck

i have installed driving lights rerouted its power source to be independant of the headlights and will do this on every truck i drive from now on.

i had let the truck run for several hours with lights on befor going to dealership as i did at other shop. tech. at f@c came and got me rite away to show me how hot circuit breaker was and explained the age of the breaker and running at full load could cause it to trip. and to leave pannel cover off and feel new breaker often for a while. and to try the 20 amp breaker during daylight to see if their is noticeable difference,the 25 amp gets warm but the 20 amp gets to hot to hold. as at the other shops they checked all conectors,rellays,wiring harness,switch,and i carry an extra switch with me now. and we checked another vision to see wwhat it was pulling 19.6 amps.i am not a mechanic but they took the time to walk me threw what they were doing while they were doing it made me a lot more confident in the diagnosis.

i would like to take this time to thank the dumasses at flag truck center who kept saying they knew what they were doing.after only three hrs. of trying to find the problem they told me maybe i should just drive during the daylight because the problem was undiagnosable, untill they went out and stayed out. i guess i should have went to autozone and bought them a amp meter. i pulled into st.louis mack first thing they did was check amp draw,18.6 amps it should draw between 18 /20 amps but with only a 20 amp fuse it would pop sooner rather than later. it had the wrong fuss in the head lights,it took f@c mack in st.louis every bit of 5 min. to find it.

i dont want to work on my truck, this frame of mind keeps me from being even a marginal mechanic, so it would probably be cheeper for me to buy a new truck than to repower with a older engine

i got a new cl713 in 2001 best truck i ever had or seen triaxel dump near 100,000 gvw every time it was loaded no problems ever. iguess when you have that much good luck,its gota turn around sooner or later. maybe its my turn in the barrel

I don't know bigen. If I had to depend on mine to pay it's own way it never never made it's own payment. The reason I keep it is because people more knowledgeable than me know it isn't worth a trade-in and I've spent too much on it to just urinate it away. I've been thinking about putting an old school mechanical 427 Mack in it but don't know how much alteration it would take. Maybe someday someone will post the info for that swap.

I've owned B model and H model and R models all my life and kept good credit with them while raising 5 kids and paying off 2 farms and homes but this 04 Vision is in a whole different category but I do give it credit for being the most comfortable truck I've ever drove including KW and Pete long legged huge cars.

ive been reading some of your post. im dreading the turbo, but i think a compresor is probably next on my list, i was told to replum to get away from merritor comp. ang go back to bendix. hoping to someday haul a load and get to keep profits, instead of dumping them rite back into this truck.

I've got the twin to yours and your story sounds like my story.

their great looking trucks,mine runs and pulls like it's pissed off the quietest,best driving truck i ever sat in.

but where does the money sucking end?

my 2004 is paid for. if i were fighting a payment and repairs, i would have allready gone under. looks like i mite have to borrow just to keep it going,i would sell and get away from the 04 for a lot less than what your talking about.

i got a 2004 vision late summer check all post by bigen i think it mite answer all your questions if i had it to do over 02 or older or 06 or newer

if you have read about my headlight problem

while i was at western colorado mack, by the way they have the sweetest ED mack pickup i have ever seen on thetr showroom floor. i purchaced a daytime running light relay, mine hade been removed, are they a different circiut than the head lights? if the head lights go out again, and i turn off the headlight switch, would the dtrl come on?

tried the high beem button, got nothing. spent the first 3-5 seconds flip switch high beem, low beem, high beem flash for pass, and turning on 4ways. next 5 seconds waiting for my eyes to adjust enough to see the painted lines,and figured out turn off head light switch to kill dash lights helped the hole time wishing i had fog lights.

the next day i thought maybe it was a circiut breaker,i removed panel and noticed on the diagrahm the cig liter was a 20 amp next to head light wich is 25 amp thought i would switch them wat the heck,they had allready been switched.

the rocky mountains is a missarable place to be when you have lost faith in your equipment!

I had that happen in my '01 CH...pulled in for fuel at 2:00 AM and cut the headlights. When I went to leave the truck stop, headlights would not come back on. I pulled the switch and rigged up a switch that would get me by....it worked until I got the new switch the next day. Put the new switch in and THOUGHT I had the problem fixed....and a month or so later it happened again. I'd pull the cubby hole out of the dash and the lights would come on. Sometimes I'd have to reach in through the cubby hole opening and jiggle some wires and they'd come on...DEFINITELY a wiring problem, but I haven't been able to locate it yet. Every time I pull the dash panel out, I go over all of the wires and trace the connections as far as I can...still haven't found anything but (knock on wood) been working for the past several months problem free.

One thing you may want to try if it happens again, I know the switch on the turn signal lever that flashes the high beams WOULD turn on the high beams...so if you are running down the road and it happens again, try hitting that switch. High beams may bug the heck out of everyone around you, but they'll let you see where you are going until you can find a safe place to get off the road and jiggle some wires.

driveing along just west of denver,co. on I 70 about 8 pm just starting up the mountain had a good run at it and my headlights went out. could not see the dog. never have i had an adreniline rush like that, tried light switch, dimmer switch, grabbed 4way flashers got enough light from them to see the painted stripes, got onto the sholder turned off light switch for about 30 seconds, turned it back on and they worked fine. i changed my pants, made it to the first exit, opened hood, shook wires and plugs for over an hour, never got anything to blink. waited till day light proceeded on to western colarodo mack very nice staff worked on it for over 3hrs, took apart dash checked everything. they could not find any problems it has the updated harness. nothin looked liked it had been hot or rubbing. the bigest problem now is trust untill i get home and install seperate running lights for backup. has anybody else had this problem?

during the time the lights were off the dash lights,marker lihts, were still working fine

ask around if you dont believe this. in the erly 90s when midwest hauling was called rabber (all a part of berra const.) they had two end dumps dumpping at the beco pipe plant that got tangeled togather with their trailers in the air one was leaning bad enough they couldnt let either of them down without turning over had to use a crane to get them untangeled i didnt see this but heard the story from to menny times from diferent people.

knapheide has a good t-5 bed the frount corners are cut back at an angle to help with exhaust clearance and i guarantee you will like it better than an oxbody it cost a little more but when you set them side by side you can see why.

i drove for a company called midwest hauling they had 35 triaxels we ran into the same problem they tried one with the drives to far forward it did not work at all could not get close to leagel. no weight on steer. they kept it around for new hires for a couple years and sold it cheap. back of drives even with the inside of tail gate works the best every time.dont let some slick salesman bull s%#t you. i have seen it tried many times, but never seen it work!

i think if i could have found an 01 in a junkyard i could have made my 04 a lot more dependable and liter also

heck if it had went out close to home instead of on the road i would have tried to get rid of it

if it would have been a local truck i would have tried to do away with it