2000CL713

I have bought from watts before. And it has nothing to do with the dealer being bothered. They are changing over. Getting rid of people. It's happening in alot of places. Just a matter of time is all. This was never a problem up until 5 years ago when Volvo came in hard and changed everything and let people go.

all the could do which tool them a week to do after bullshit back and forth is give me those numbers i posted in my first post. thats all the info they have in there system. my VIN does nothing for them anymore it seems like and just within the last month they said they got new computers and are deleteing alot of mack only stuff (like older macks like mine) out of it. like i said. having them find into on a exhuast part or even a water pump is a nightmare

i wish that was the case for me but sadly it isnt. this is nothing new tho. this has been going on for the last 5 or so years. its gone down hill and it have heard it for many and even some people on here. im sure it will catch up to everyone at some point. i didnt think it would happen to me either until they let go of all the old timers there that i seen for almost 20 years buying from there. one time i went there everything was good and the next time i went all new people and no one knew jack shit unless its a volvo part. cant even tell you how many times they gave me parts for my CL and it was a for a volvo. they dont even know that doesnt belong on my truck. thankfully my truck came from the factory with dual exhaust bc trying to get parts now to make it as such would be a nightmare. i had to replace the pipe right off the turbo. it took them a month to fine one and when they did it was for a volvo. i had to go crazy to get the dam thing. they all looked at me like i have no idea what im talking about or wanted to act as if my truck doesnt have it. as if my turbo doesnt have an exhaust attached to it lol never mind the ordeal with computer shit or even rearend parts. its a shit show at best.

i havent called anymore else today other then mack and thats what they told me and give me those numbers. was at work all day. i guess i will call Sheppard and see what they can do for me. my only issues is i cant have the truck down. thanks again for all the help guys. really sucks the dealer offers no help for these older trucks anymore for many parts. just getting a simple exhaust part nowadays has turned into a huge ordeal since the dealer has no idea what your talking about or have people working for them that never even seen a CL and there systems dont have part numbers for this old of a truck or no longer making parts. i have both these steering boxes and rebuilt one more axle and replace my exhaust and my truck will be set. i have replaced/rebuilt/upgraded every other part i could other wise from front to back on this truck.

in need of 2 new steering boxes for a 2000 CL713. mack says they dont make anymore. left is - 20QC4328M right is - 20QC378AM does anymore know where i can get them or who makes them or some sort of info??? can anyone cross these numbers with other numbers? these are the mack numbers and they dont seem to come up anywhere.

Watts ended up helping me out.

i just talked with them. no adapters are included.

wish they would write that type of info in the ad. i have looked at a couple diff ones and none say anything. im sure they all fit petes and kw's but macks are always the odd ball when it comes to this type of stuff in the aftermarket world i have learned over the years lol

anyone know if these will fit? https://www.iowa80.com/pd/universal-acheater-slide-control-knobs-3pk/08905/ im not sure if the mack used a standard side or what

i need a new set of HVAC knobs for my 2000 CL. anyone know where to get at set or maybe what aftermarket set will fit? i was told by mack they are no longer made.

mackpro did mine, think i said it in my first post in this thread, i could be wrong. he did mine but hes no longer with mack as he also posted here so dont think thats an opt for you any longer.

oh lol yea you would need to buy the whole truck if you want that part and even then i might not sell it with the truck and just install the 427 ECM in it lol i just cant go back now lol

like how much it cost to get programmed or to buy it off me?

im sorry to hear that mackpro. sucks things have come to that for such a great engine and great Mack mechanic that you are that know the ins and outs of them. alot of people have Macks in my area. from old superlines to brand new trucks. closest dealer is over an hr away (one way) and most diesel mechanic here are not the best when it comes to mack stuff. someone opening there own shop thats mack based would be a life saver for many guys. samething happened to the dealer here. none of the old timers are left. all gone and all the people there dont know jack shit. they barely know how to fix things on the new stuff.

i dont know if id buy a computer like that only bc id want to make sure it in fact has the program on it that they say plus some changes might need to be made for gauges and whatnot. turn stuff on or off depending what each truck was speced from the factory. as far as who can do it mackpro should know about that. hes your best bet and can guide you with that. he works for MACK.

from the factory my truck is a E7-427hp (heavy o/o spec) which has the same setup as the 460hp motors just different programming. i had it upgraded to a 460XT file which is not the normal 460 file. the 460XT is 490hp and the regular 460 is 460hp. going from the 427hp file to the 460XT (490hp) file was night and day. felt like a whole different truck. didnt have to change anything else since my truck from the factory comes with the same parts. what i did tho was bought a whole different ECM and had the 460XT programmed put on that new ECM and kept my original ECM with the 427hp file on it so now i have both bc the 460XT is becoming very hard to have done since Mack will not release it most people and so i could put it back to factory settings if i ever sold the truck or had a bad ECM i had a spare for backup. as far as differences its like i said before. i would sold the truck without that 460XT file lol. i was very disappointed with the 427hp file. some people like it and some dont. it didnt work for me. from the day i bought that truck i didnt like the power but once it was uprated to the 460XT it was a whole different animal. not something id put in the hands of a newb bc he will tear shit up without a doubt. it makes more power all over the RPM range. i now gets out of its own way. traffic has to keep up with me now. not the other way around lol the down side is that MPG has dropped from 7mpg to around 5.5mpg which is a trade off im willing to make bc of how unhappy i was with the 427hp but i can always go back to it bc i have both ECM's. you going from 350hp to 427hp im use will be night and day as well bc thats even more of a drastic HP change then i did. whats nice about the 427hp file is the MPG it gets and its safe. wont have to worry about braking shit and the truck will run forever. coolant temps and pyro temps will always be safe as well. if the truck is not in tip-top condition the 427hp file wont find the weak link, with the 460XT it will but i keep my trucks at there best. all the updates/grades that have came out with over the years have been done whether its better oiling system or better pushrods. you name it. id had it done.

good to know! still deciding weather to go with the PAI or reman. see what the dealer prices are first. in case anyone is wondering the PAI part number for the water pump that fits my truck (posted above) is a EWP-3367. after i have did some digging. please make sure you do your own research to make sure it fits your app.

yea. like stated just sending him a PM and he will reply back to you. sometimes it takes him a bit since im sure hes a busy man as someone with his knowledge would be but he will get with you or he will post in here. hes helped me out alot (and mack technician) with my questions and tbh if it wasnt for his work on my computer i most likely would sold that CL bc i wasnt happy with the 427hp file but your going from a 350hp to 427hp so you should be happy with that. big jump for you. hope everything works out. have your year/model/vin ready bc he will need that info and whatever upgrades you have done.

the OP seems to have gotten the same run around i did when i wanted mine done. thanks to mackpro for hooking me up been a year almost without a single issues with his work.

how are the new PAI water pumps? i have used that brand before with good luck.

iv had a few things from them that i had to replace 2 or 3 times but this is also a dealer that cant for the life of them give me the right parts without going back 5 times bc they keep giving me Volvo parts lol im not sure how my vin comes up Volvo or when they see its a Mack CL713 they think Volvo, been dealing with this bullsh*t for the last 5 years doing this sh*t from them. they use to be a good dealer but then all the old timers left in parts and everything went to shit. and yes this is the pump from 2000. never changed.

i haven't had the best luck with reman sh*t from mack thats why i wanted to see if there was something better to get.

Need a new water pump for my 2000 CL713 E7-427. Mines original. What's the best one on the market I can get?

https://store.reliableindustries.com/heavy-duty-truck-and-trailer-parts/mack/pai-mack-61kh436-gear-bull/ https://store.reliableindustries.com/heavy-duty-truck-and-trailer-parts/mack/pai-mack-61kh436-gear/ can anyone tell me what the difference is in these two?

anyone know the part numbers for 3.94 bull and spur set?