kscarbel2

1 hour ago, Geoff Weeks said:

While that figure is true according to several sources, it is also misleading.

Mostly it consisted to 2 groups, those crossing, then seeing a emigration officer (not a judge) and not found to have credible claim to enter and sent back, and 2) those that have crossed before, sent back and crossed again. That is very different than scooping people off the street, saying they are "illegal" without any proof or verification on the governments part, and wisked off to another country.

The very big difference is that they were either caught when crossing, or had been previously identified and when caught again given the choice of fighting while in lock-up or "voluntary" deportation, most chose being deported over being locked up. in both cases their identity was verified.

Today we have people being deported in the night who HAVE seen a judge and HAVE been granted the right to stay. We have people being picked up and deported without the chance to prove if they are a citizen or have seen a judge and.or been granted the right to stay.We have those picked up because they "look Latin" and have a similar name.

Just because ICE accuses someone of being "illegal" doesn't make it so. If you are accused of a crime, that doesn't make you guilty, The police, be it your local town cop or an ICE agent doesn't get to be all three, judge jury and executioner. THAT IS OUR SYSTEM and it keeps everybody safe from being railroaded.   

I have no problem sending "crosser" back at the point of entry if they don't meet the criteria for one of the programs that let them stay. I don't have a problem deporting those with orders of removal if they have them as long as time is taken to verify their identity (finger prints). I have a real big problem when people are picked up off the street (not at/ near the boarder) and not given a chance to contest what they are being accused of but has not been verified by the courts.

I was born here, lived all my life here, but I can not produce a piece of paper that "proves" I am a citizen while on the street, If you apply the same rule that you do to Juan, to me, then what is keeping me out of Salvadorian prison? Nothing other than I am white and look anglo. That is not rule of law, that is harkoning back to the days of slavery that every black person was a slave until proved otherwise.

The point is, all these people intended to cross into the United States illegally. 

If any had not been "caught", would they have turned around and left? No. 

Their action/intention was to criminally enter another country.

People who have "illegally" entered the United States have NO right to due process, as they aren't supposed to be on U.S. soil to begin with. It is only through their criminal action that they stand on U.S. soil.