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Starting to see these in the wild.

Originally no, they were not.  Looked like an Autocar because the used the same pit fenders and cab.  Chassis different, more of a vocational version of the White 4000.  I think they were built in White's Cleveland plant.  Later on (around 1977) White came out with the Autocar Construcktor II with the new generation cab.  Some of those were pretty heavy duty, more so than the White Construcktor. 

I thought that was the case to (go to cvgrp.com and there are pictures of Navistar cabs on their assembly line) .  The new Chevy medium duty trucks look like they use the current Silverado cab, probably all Navistar had to do is build a shop and have GM send over tooling and they are in business.  The Silverado 1500's will be all-new in 2019, the HD's follow in 2020 so this move frees up GM from having to supply the current 'old' cab for who-knows-how-many years.  

Looks like this is something Ford never thought of, unless they are planning on eventually using the aluminum Super Duty cab on the 650/750.

BTW- I have a hunch that body shop at Springfield will be making cabs for some other trucks in a few years.......

13 hours ago, 1965 said:

The first 110’s had a different style blower, they turned a lot more rpm and couldn’t handle high engine rpm. So they designed that engine with the style that’s on all 2stroke Detroit’s (roots). By that time the 8V-71 came out & they discontinued the 110. 

Correct, most 6-110's had a centrifugal blower, and it was prone to failure at high r.p.m.'s.  One application that used 6-110's were Budd RDC self-propelled railcars.  Far as I know only highway truck that a 6-110 was that one GMC built for P.I.E..  

3 hours ago, Truck Shop said:

Transtar 4090 model, I have seen two others through the years.

That's it!  Regular Twinkle-Star was a 4070.

That was a special Transtar.  Can't remember the model number, but they made a few.

Ed Peper makes the comment "we are just getting started" at 2:04 in the first video.

So far, these trucks look really good.  Only negatives I see are lack of a gasoline engine (supposedly in the works for 2020) and a relatively low GCW rating.  I wonder what GM and Navistar have planned for the future.........  

GMC 'division' is making FAR more money for GM selling luxo-trucks and SUV's then they ever did with the commercial vehicles.  Little consolation for the former GMC commercial truck dealers, but in my area it seems some are going to sell Chevy medium duties.

What happened to all the former Ford dealers that switched to Sterling?  Or the Brockway dealers that were left high and dry when Mack shut them down?

3 hours ago, Red Horse said:

Wonder why no mention of class 4, 5?  I thought that was what the GM JV was all about??

The International 4/5  version will be introduced later this year.  One of my sources tells me that the 'new' International MV is an interim refresh and an all-new class 6/7 truck is under development as another JV between GM and Navistar.  No idea about the accuracy of that report.  

GM is making Chevy dealers that want to handle commercial trucks jump through a lot of hoops to get the franchise.  Upgrades to service facilities, parts inventory, extensive training of sales and service staff.  Some signing up were medium truck dealers before 2009, some are building new facilities.  Chevy says they are on track to have over 400 medium dealers by the end of 2019.  As for marketing, I have no idea.  They are not good at marketing their cars!

A nice update to the good old DuraStar/4700.  Note to Navistar:  the MV needs a smaller diesel @ 5L (maybe MAN can sell you one) and a gasoline/propane engine (maybe GM can sell you one).  

It goes to class 6.  Reminds me a lot of the TopKick/Kodiak 4500/5500 and TerraStar, more of a downrated class 6 than a beefed up class 3.  

Interesting, I assume it will be an LCF.  I don't see much market for it unless the GVW is high enough for roll-off or refuse.    

Is Isuzu still planning a tandem for the U.S.?

Chatter from suppliers, story is the larger trucks might be built at the recently closed Conner Ave. Viper plant.  My guess is they would be an extension of the Ram 5500, not based on an Iveco.  Might be something to it.......... 

Funny you bring this thread back up, I have been hearing rumors lately that FCA might be considering a 'Super HD' Ram, I assume class 6/7.

Could be interesting.  I hear that after Dieter Zetsche retires as CEO there will be a major restructure with Daimler Trucks being spun off as a separate entity.  I wonder if Geely's interest is in the car or the truck business.

21 minutes ago, kscarbel2 said:

Related?

Turboglide's selector quadrant was Park, Reverse, Neutral, Drive, Hill Retarder (early 1957 only) P R N D Hr^[2] or Grade Retarder (late 1957-1961) P R N D Gr.

Turboglide offered a 'Grade Retarder' range for providing engine braking when necessary, a driving condition which could absorb close to 200 hp (150 kW) of power above to what was available via the engine compression, by counter-rotating the turbines in the converter and soaking up the vehicle energy by agitating the oil inside the converter housing. No low range was provided with Turboglide, as in the Drive range the ratio was always automatically and perfectly matched to the requirements of the operator (all ranges being always engaged, low and intermediate would freewheel on the 'sprag-clutches' as needed), and with the Grade Retarder providing a very efficient engine brake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turboglide

 

Yes, the retarder in old Allison transmissions functioned similarly.  It was particularly effective in diesel trucks, as a diesel (before Jakes) provided little engine braking.    

I don't think the 7L V-8 is due until 2020.

My guess is Ford's new commercial vehicle 'family' are versions of the new Ranger. 

So, Hino's new class 7/8 is a cabover?

In addition to the JV GM truck, isn't International about ready to announce the DuraStar replacement?  

I think the FTR will do well here for those that are looking for low operating/ownership costs over purchase price.  And those looking for a class 6 LCF.  I also think this truck needs a gasoline/CNG/LNG engine option.

BTW- Isuzu still looking to bring an LCF tandem to the U.S.?  Wonder what kind of market there is for something like that.  

Based on what I have seen so far, I think the new GM/Nav JV truck could probably go to class 6.  I think the  Chevy dealers would like to see that, they could pick up a lot of those basic class 6 sales.  I don't see any need for Chevy to get into anything larger.   

That looks like the International version, based on the grill design.  I wonder what the GVW will max out at.  The old Kodiak 5500 went to 26,000#'s.

You what I think?  Navistar has a good thing with their current relationship with VW's truck group, no question.  But long term, if I was Navistar I would think about growing their relationship with GM to get access to this technology.  It's equally applicable to commercial vehicles.