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IIRC, the batteries I have are 8D-4HD. Anyone know where I can get a good price on them?

Need to buy the insulation and "pegboard" headliner for my CF. Any info is appreciated

CF, they said some of the best nights of their lives with their clothing on were the nights I set up fopr them to ride at 88/38 and 82/31.....lol although it wasnt the 70's/80's they still caught a lot of work!!!!

No doubt. The "Boogie Down Bronx" is still jumping at times. I have a fireman friend in Melbourne who came across years ago when I worked in DCFD. Invited me down, but dread that long flight.

So over the years I have made a few friends from Australia through my fire service contacts. They all came over here and traveled around the USA, and I helped them out by hooking them up with friends in the Philadelphia, Camden and other Fire Departments. The wife and I would love to go visit them and "Oz" as they call it, and last night I was screwing around just looking at airfare for me, the wife and the three ankle biters just for shits and giggles.....and about shit myself at the cost of airfare.....wow.....needless to say we aint going there for a LOOOONG time. Our friends are slightly irritated because it is so much cheaper for them to come here....????? Oh well, just venting.

Talk about irony. I work for an airline, can fly there real cheap, but HATE flying..... lol.

But I googled it, and some ships are $5k for a 26 day trip across.

Plus they drive on the wrong side of the road, sit on the wrong side, and make you shift with your left hand...

I'll wait for the bridge.

Thanks! Paul

Anytime. I would love to see the remains of that R Model (maybe Mike as well). Where abouts is it?

and now that I look at the 1970 CF that E253 had, the entire rig from the cab back is identical to the 1969 R models. the pump is identical outlets, gauges and fittings all in same place on both rigs, everything, including the fuel fill door. get that 70 and you got a nice ride!

See? If anybody would know...... lolol

Sounds like someone know Mister Lerch!!! LOL He's a great guy.

Yes, Sir. But i don't have a direct line like a fellow firepics.net member. But I covered the bases. Asked Mike and I'll call Jack as a backup.

The prints are /were in possession of NYC. I've recieved information from Mr Shuemacher (spelling ?) at the museum that a lot the chassis mounts, cross members and even cab bracing was FDNY specific. At one time every vehicle used by NYC was built to their specifications. Paul

Ok, I have the blueprints for my CF from the Museum, and FDNY was specific on some things on a CF, so i'm perplexed that the museum did not have the blueprints.. If you would like, I have connections at the shop and library at the academy and could see if they have them. Or you can drop a pm to fdnytrucks.com, for Mike has a direct line to the library. Jimmy.

I just want to measure and copy the FDNY spec'ed mounts and associated cab bracing and parts. If I had it here, I would copy them direct with my Gordon Profiler. Paul

Paul, as much as I love cars and trucks, I can barely change my oil. Did you contact the Mack Museum for the blueprints?

Jimmy.

Most the Macks remains are sitting in a building off 130th street. Rear body is gone as is the rear 1/2 of the chassis. Paul

Is it really worth restoring if they cut up the chassis?

Man.....that would be nice with an Allison V12 airplane engine in the back with chrome pipes out back. WOW

mike

To each his own...... lol. I would have been happy if it was a diesel. Do they still make parts for the 707C?

Just checked again..... Worcester craigslist.... Type in Mack ...... And you'll find it

Was under antiques. I was looking under cars and trucks..

Thanks.

Off Craigslist as of 10 am today. Was Worcester CL, correct?

I have asked about other cabs from that order and from what I can find they were the only 5 crew cab R's ever built by Mack and after that they never stamped another wall or roof panel out, they only made enough parts to make the 5 then kept the dies on ice until they were told there would not be another order by fdny. I wonder where the stamping dies went for the panels, you never know they may be in a warehouse in PA somehwere collecting dust waiting to be discovered like so many GM dies have been over the years.

These were the only 4 door R Models that I know of for FIRE apparatus. NYC DOT had dozens, if not hundreds of 4 door R Model cabs that were used by road repair crews over many years. Finding them may be a challenge if you can ever find that Flushing R. Replace the cab with one of them and you're good to go. But it seems NO ONE knows where that rig is.

And FWIW, there are only a handful of CF's left in service. Most, if not all, are MP88's converted to 1,000 gallon foam tenders. These may go up for auction as the shops modifies Seagraves. No word yet, though.

The R Model Macks were an order of 5 during the part of the FDNY called "The War Years". With the civil unrest, the FDNY saw the NYC DOT using the R Macks and tried them out. Wasnt a success, and they were disposed of. As for the one in question, the hangars have been gone awhile, and about 3 or more years ago I inquired about it and was told it was gone. Scroll down and see that the front was missing, cab was torched, and just basically beat to crap.

http://forgotten-ny.com/2001/02/return-to-the-weedy-green-yonder-flushing-airport-part-2/

But good luck otherwise.

sweet.

Around here (northeast PA), over the last couple of years, five or six city and volunteer fireman have been caught setting fires! Must be like SEX for them!

I tend to agree,but I also disagree. Odd as that sounds (which it does), the fire service (for those not familiar with it) is a unique calling, a calling for which one also has to prove themselves as well. In the emergency services of FD,PD and EMS, you only become good at your craft at someone else's expense. There are those like you mentioned who get their rocks off with fire, but there are those who are probably in small depts who not only want to get fire, they also want to show their peers they are competent firemen. So we end up reading about these degenerates of the fire service, and sometimes with tragic results. Many young kids in their zealousness, would sit around the firehouse climbing up the walls wanting a 'job'. Then explaining to them that someone, possibly their neighbor, classmate, or family would have to lose everything they have worked their whole life for to keep a bunch of yahoos happy. Needless to say, most never looked at it that way. And the ones that didn't care you read about getting charged with arson, and sometimes murder. Shame.

But this is not also 100% correct. Back in the early 80's, many Boston firemen,some with many years in, were busted in an insurance scam. Lost jobs, jail time, and justice served.

But you will always have your pyromaniacs, and some end up in both the career and volunteer fire service. What goes through the human mind will never be figured out in our lifetimes.

On a sad note, the 3 Satellite C model Macks were sent out to Long Island to a company called ComCoach, which replaced the whole body with a plastic cab and body, IIRC. I cannot find the pictures of the before and after, but it was sickening to see what was done to those 3 rigs.

Well, i did finally get my pics on the web, so here they are. I do hope you do enjoy.

As my avatar post, this is the CF shortly before it was purchased:

The CF 5 years later after finally working on it:

After removing compartment doors and the upper compartments (FDNY put the suction hose rack there):

Chauffeur's side front compartment:

And after:

And after after.. (notice sever corrosion of the brace) lol:

My pal Rob closing some holes by welding:

Officer's side (right) rear compartment before:

And after:

Officer's side front compartment before:

And after:

Great, thanks for the reply and assistance. Now if I can find a decent price for about 10+ gallons, I'll be on my way. Anyone have sources?

Thanks again, "neighbor".

Will obviously be painting my CF600 in the near future. Waiting on paperwork from Mack Museum. Was curious as to what type of paint (enamel, etc) Mack used in 1980. And did they have certain types of red? I'm told red paint can approach $400 per gallon, yet I saw "Mack red" on a website for $69.00. Any help as usual, is appreciated.

Just saw grab bars on Ebay. Good luck.

AAAH the joys of the old truck hobby! blood sweat and tears! but stick with it,cause the ends surely justifies the means,and makes the whole process worthwhile,sure something to stand back and be proud of when its all said and done!...........Mark

Thank you. Hopefully, all the work in it will get her looking real nice. And for someone who can't do a thing with his hands (trust me, and I regret it now), I felt a bit of self satisfaction getting to do it. Grinding got tedious at times, but I still felt great at the end of the day.

Well, after 5 years we got started on this rig. Tried numerous vocational and tech schools with no reply, and the answer was literally under my nose. A pal I work for part time owns a fire repair and body shop, but I never asked him because one never wants to bite off more that you can chew and not not jeopardize a friendship close to 20 years. Anyway, he said bring it over any Saturday and we will work on it. Not having the knowledge (and right tools...lol) made me a little afraid to make this venture. Even though I didn't do too much, I did a little welding, lots of grinding and cutting, and body part removal. And while tiring and freaking dirty, it felt pretty damned good to do it. Hope you like the pics.

Chauffeur's compartment (usually holds fittings and adapters being near the pump panel (info for guys with no FD knowledge...lol)

Left rear compartment:

Right rear compartment:

Right front compartment:

3 of the 4 compartments were rusted through, as you can see. The last one may have to be cut as well, but we will see. Some things need sandblasting, holes need to be filled, and obvious sheet metal work. I didn't do too bad with welding, but didn't do to well, either.....lol. And have a nice 2 inch gash in my right index finger from getting to close to a grinder....lol.

Other stuff includes an air leak (both systems drop to 0 in under 24 hours), check on the charging system, electrical work (no turn signals or 4 ways, no interior lights).

Thanks to my Brother FireMack for looking for my parts, will know soon enough. Hope you enjoyed the show.

Being a Mack man, I was never a fan of the Hahns . When I was a fireman in DC, that was the majority of the fleet. When DC had severe (and I mean severe) money problems in the 90's, those Hahns (along with miles of bailing wire and bubble gum holding them together) saved that city many times.

Them hummed along nice with the 6V92TA's and had awesome Jake Brakes.

Good luck with that sweet looking rig.